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Kevin's Last Lie
2023.06.08 00:42 HaZalaf Kevin's Last Lie
Author's Note: This story is long. I'm sorry. It really deserves to be told exactly as it happened and therefore, I am forced into murdering brevity. I hope that in time you'll forgive me.
I'm going to tell y'all another stupid story. I should warn you that this one isn't really a comedy, despite being set in a RadioShack.
A few months after Cocaine-Kevin took off for Brazil in pursuit of true love, we got a new transfer employee. We came to call him 'Aikedo-Kevin' (I'm adding the -Kevin because this is a subreddit about Kevins.)
We called him 'Aikedo' because we met him before the final act of the following chain of events took place and afterwards we just didn't have the motivation to attach anything else to him.
When I replay what happened in my head, it astounds me that this took place at all. I mean, we had our fair share of Kevins at RadioShack. There was Cocaine-Kevin, (whom you've previously met.) Crazy-Kevin, 'TP' Kevin, Kevin the Customer, and Kevin the Destroyer. Every one of these people occupy space in my brain for various reasons, but out of all these Kevins, Aikedo-Kevin is the most memorable. And not for the reason you'd most expect.
As if he represented the cosmic opposite to the Kevin he was replacing, this new Kevin came across as competent. He was older and well-kept. He didn't smell at all like sun-dried squirrel and rather than being cartoonishly fat, he was worryingly thin. He looked surprisingly normal for a RadioShack employee; completely trustworthy, certainly like the guy you'd confidently go to to get your Questions Answered.
Looking at him, I would never have believed in a million years that he would be the most profligate serial liar that I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
I know that I should start this tale at the beginning; with the story of how he got his name, but I really don't have the space, so instead we'll just rollercoaster through this cascade of events much like I did originally.
Almost from the moment Kevin showed up, things got real weird, real fast. He lasted for about six months with us, but they were unforgettable. It started with Kevin telling us that he was a 'triple-stripe; dragon-class' black belt in aikedo. Then he told us that he met Kiss back in the 70's and they invited him back to their hotel to party. Then the lies got egregious. He was late because there was a riot at Publix. Someone else ate the food that I had clearly marked and labelled in the back fridge. His dad was in the CIA and helped plan Vietnam with Henry Kissinger. He didn't know why the drawer was short $5.34. He was allergic to fruit. The list was long and got progressively weirder as the weeks went by, but it was generally innocuous; innocent.
But then he fucked up. He told a lie about NASA. Guys, this was a RadioShack. We were all nerds of various stripes, with varying areas of scientific interest and knowledge. There was NO possibility in any universe that one could just traipse into my RadioShack and successfully lie about NASA. Especially this particular lie. There was even less of a possibility that upon hearing such a lie spoken, any of us RadioShack employees would let it go unchallenged.
Ok, now that all the foreshadowing is out of the way, let me get down to the meat. I mean, that's why you're still here, right?
This chain of events spanned three days and it began in the way these things always do; somewhat accidentally.
DAY 1: THE NASA PROVOCATION
It was a normal Florida afternoon for everyone who didn't work at my store. As usual, I came in on second (closing) shift. I was taking over from Kevin, who'd just returned from his vacation. The drawer was missing $5.34. Again? Wtf? He 'fixed' it while I was in the back re-counting it. Okay. $5.34? This is so weird. I have to report this shit.
While waiting for his wife to pick him up, Kevin told me that he and his family had had a blast in Cape Canaveral. That he was able to take his son into the 'anti-gravity chamber' at NASA. He went into great detail about how they 'flew around in the tunnel.'
Now, y'all... I'm not an idiot. I very well know how NASA trains their astronauts in Zero-G. Fuck it, I'll bite.
"Uh, Kevin, they use planes to simulate zero-gravity. What are you talking about?"
He shook his head conspiratorially and said, "No, they have secret pods. There's two. One in Huntsville, Alabama, and one at Cape Canaveral. It's top-secret. I have a friend."
I stood there transfixed as Kevin embellished his experiences at NASA a bit more, making sure I knew how cool it was that his kids got to meet all the astronauts and how big the pod really was (almost as big as the Pentagon) until his wife finally showed up and they left.
I think I took a minute before going back inside. I had to call Frank (our store manager) to report the drawer discrepancy. And if I'm being honest, I also wanted to inform him of NASA's Pentagon-sized secret. We were all getting sick of Kevin's fibs, but nobody had really said anything to him yet and I knew Frank was a huge NASA fan. Repeating to him what Kevin had said was tantamount to lighting off firecrackers at a funeral, and at that age, I just wanted to watch the world burn.
Frank answered on the first ring, as I knew he would if the store was calling him.
"Heeeyyyyy, Frank. So. My drawer was short $5.34 again. Kevin somehow fixed it. He also went to the, uh, secret anti-gravity pod at NASA while he was at Cape Canaveral."
Frank laughed. There was a long pause. Then he snarled.
"What? Your drawer was short?! I'm DONE with this!" Frank hung up. I looked down at the phone. Dang. Frank is a terrible force for truth in the universe. I knew this from painful personal experience.
DAY 2: KEVIN'S LAST LIE
I got a call at 5 am to come in early; that Kevin couldn't open. Whatever. More money for me. I rolled out of bed.
When I got there, Frank was behind the counter pacing and literally purple. I've never seen a human being that color before. He looked like an engorged eggplant preparing for a Kanly duel.
I was putting my stuff away in the back when Frank stomped in behind me. He was hollering about gravity and idiots and I realized immediately that Kevin was in major, major trouble.
A frission tickled its way through my central nervous system. Fear or anticipation? Uncertain. Frank could be terrifying. Alternately, Frank could be compassionate. Frank was a real street-dude; a living tragedy-to-triumph, rags-to-riches kind of guy. He was also a VERY understanding boss. He basically only had three rules: 'Don't fuckin' steal,' 'Don't bring your personal fuckery to the store,' and, most importantly, 'Don't EVER fuckin' LIE to me.'
Those are exact quotes and he lived up to them. I know this. And now you all know this too. Kevin should have known this, but Kevin lived life on the edge.
In the backroom, I squared my shoulders and pretended to be uninterested while watching Frank's face pulse with incandescent rage.
"What's up?" I ventured, trying to hide my curiosity.
Frank exploded like something you shouldn't microwave. His purple face rippled as he tried to roll his eyes and snort simultaneously. He looked for all the world like an indignant water buffalo. Which is funny really. See, big game hunters will tell you that despite looking slow and stupid, the water buffalo is one of the most dangerous animals on Earth. African buffalo will lay traps. They will actually double back to lie in wait to hunt their hunter. And, much like the animal he resembled, Frank too was dangerous and known for his traps.
He smiled at me ferally.
"Kevin called out this morning. Apparently his cousin the St. Petersburg cop got shot last night in a drug raid."
"What does that have to do with NASA?" I said stupidly.
Frank stared at me like I was the only Red Gal in the Blue Man Group.
"I busted Kevin last night for theft." Frank said slowly, with that owlish look he saved for especially thick customers.
Okaaaay "But, what does tha-" I stopped, the light bulb over my head starting to flicker.
"Oh." I said.
Frank was still staring at me, perhaps waiting for my brain to finish its loading sequence. Accurately concluding that I was operating somewhat below dial-up speed, he sighed impatiently and continued.
"My wife called the hospital just now. They don't have anyone by the name of (Kevin's cousin's name) on file there. She called two other hospitals just to be sure."
I just looked at him blankly. "Waaaait. what?!" My mental bulb finally snapped on and flared brightly. Oh shiiit. My brain is furiously connecting dots. Did he lie to get un-caught for thieving? Is that a even a thing? Wtf?
Frank nodded grimly and picked up the phone. He dialed Kevin's number.
Unfortunately for this story, I had a customer walk in right then and therefore didn't hear what was said. Customers can be the most annoying things in the world sometimes. This one probably wasn't, but I don't remember because all I could think about was Kevin's career suicide. It seemed like an eternity passed before I was able to rejoin Frank in his investigation.
In the time I was away, Frank had learned two things: the first thing being that no cops had been shot according to the news, (which Kevin countered by claiming that the news wouldn't report a cop being shot in an on-going investigation,) and the second thing being that no hospital in the tri-county area had admitted anyone matching his cousin's name, (which Kevin dismissed by saying that secrecy was standard operating procedure in a 'Full Blackout' situation and that it's all put in place to protect a wounded cop's identity.
It was a testament to Frank's determination that he was able to do all this so quickly. Especially since this all happened back in the 90's before the sum of human knowledge was only a smartphone click away.
This inanity went on for my entire shift. Frank sending his wife to check out hospitals while he alternately called the local newspapers, TV stations, and Kevin.
Frank was terrifying in his pursuit of truth and I have to admit, it was a thing of beauty to watch him put his case together. Perry Mason be damned; Frank was on an investigative roll. But no matter what he learned, when he called Kevin, Kevin had an answer to it. A detailed answer. He went into specifics about how the bullet (9mm) hit his cousin's vest and richocheted off of a rib. He explained how it was a 'cartel case,' and everything has to be kept hush-hush. It was quite entertaining, if schadenfreude is your thing. It's not mine. I can't really explain how uncomfortable the whole thing made me feel. Like chewing on cotton. There's no way Kevin keeps his job. Kevin has the survival skills of a suicide bomber and the critical thinking skills of a cabbage. It was plain as day that Kevin was a drowning man grasping desperately for an anchor.
Finally, my shift ended and I went home mentally exhausted on Kevin's behalf.
As I left, I could see Frank behind the counter, still on the phone, hyper-focused, and absolutely intent upon some mission objective that I apparently wasn't cleared for. He told me just to be ready to close the next day.
DAY 3: THE GREAT DENOUEMENT
I woke up haunted with the strange certain knowledge that disaster was nigh. Maybe it was the same instinct that allows animals to sense an earthquake before it strikes. I really don't know. I felt both uncomfortable and giddy as I readied myself for work.
When I pulled into the RadioShack, I saw that Frank's Jeep was there. So was Frank's wife's SUV. Kevin's car was nowhere to be seen.
Oh boy... this was not a good sign. I parked and went in. Immediately I could see Frank, his wife, and the employee who had opened huddled furtively together behind the counter. No customers in sight.
Excellent, I thought. Maybe I'll finally get some Answers. This IS a RadioShack, after all, right?
As I counted in my drawer, the preliminary results of Frank's investigation poured out: allegedly Kevin had been taking money from the drawer to get McDonalds for lunch. The amount ($5.34) matched perfectly with the meal Kevin was observed eating each day that he worked. No one knew why he did this. He very obviously brought his lunch in from home every morning.
Frank was a-twitter with anticipatory fury as he spoke. After the conversation he'd had with Frank the previous night, Kevin had slyly switched shifts with another employee to avoid having to open and therefore face Frank. Which, of course, had jacked Frank's temper over from red to plaid. Kevin daring to dodge him like this was simply the last straw, and he had decided he was going to fire Kevin. ...Except, despite trying all morning, he hadn't managed to actually reach Kevin to give him the news.
Frank being Frank, this had in no way deterred him. He had simply looked in Kevin's employee file and called the emergency contact. By the time I walked in, the proverbial shit had hit the fan and was well on its ballistic arc towards us in the form of Kevin's wife.
Yall. It's really important for this story that you have a mental picture of Kevin's wife. Essential, even.
Do y'all remember that 90's song 'All Star' by that band Smashmouth? Remember the lead singer? If you don't, it's okay. Just picture Guy Fieri instead. Now picture Guy Fieri/the Smashmouth dude dressed up as Xena: Warrior Princess. That's what she looked like. She was enormous. Not necessarily fat, but big. I bet she could crush a watermelon with her thighs, easy. (That's really a thing, by the way. You should probably Google it. Fuck it, here ya go )
Anyway, 'Xena' was surprised to hear that Kevin wasn't at work. She was even more stunned by what Frank had to say.
At roughly the same time this phone conversation was taking place at the RadioShack, another, weirder conversation was taking place in person across town. Out of exasperation, and to out-manuever Kevin completely, Frank had finally just sent his wife down to the police station...
...which went something like this: she walked in, and asked if any cops had been shot recently. I imagine there was a pregnant pause at the reception desk while it was hurriedly determined whether or not she was a threat or a crazy person. She asked again and was told that no, no one had been shot recently. She then asked to speak with Officer (Kevin's Cousin's Name) and lo and behold! he happened to be walking by at that exact moment, un-wounded, ambulatory, and utterly confused as to why anybody thought he'd been shot in the first place.
Perched behind the counter in the RadioShack, listening to Frank and his wife list the steps they had taken and the results of taking said steps, I actually felt kind of bad for Kevin. I mean, why would he do this?
Why would anyone make up such a ridiculous lie? What did he have to gain? And most mysteriously, why was he stealing to buy lunch when he brought his own lunch in? The whole thing was steeped in bizarre absurdity and I was beginning to lose perspective of the situation when the door-chime dinged and Kevin walked contritely into the store, followed by his strapping virago of a wife.
Y'all. Holy shit. I don't think that I will be able to properly describe what followed but I will do my best.
When I was a kid, there was a cartoon I saw once. Maybe it was part of a Disney movie, maybe a Bugs Bunny short, I don't really remember. But in it, a ginormous nanny-type woman drags a teensy man into a room by his ear to force him to apologize for something.
That's almost exactly what happened. Xena frog-marched Kevin into the RadioShack and made him apologize for stealing. She literally made him hand over an envelope with $600 in it. (The amount Frank calculated Kevin had stolen over six months.) And then she berated him for breaking the diet she had set for him.
I'm going to say that again. He broke the diet she had set for him. This ... veritable Amazon of a woman had set a caloric limit for this dude who was already so skinny that he could likely crawl through the holes in a chain-link fence. All of a sudden, it all made sense. All of it. Kevin was emasculated, hence the lies. Kevin was desperate and fucking starving, so he stole to feed himself. I was wrestling with my new-found understanding of all things Kevin when she told us the envelope was all of his 'allowance' money. At this point, I was entirely speechless. I could only gape witlessly at her.
Stealing a glance back at Frank, I could tell he was going through the very same emotional turmoil as I was.
In the uncomfortable silence, Kevin handed over his keys and mumbled something about it being great working with us and then they left.
With the possible exception of the first time I saw the cemetary scene in Steel Magnolias, I have never gone from one emotional extreme to the other so quickly. Where I had been affronted by his actions only minutes earlier, now I felt unimaginable regret and I could tell Frank felt the same way. Frank had held back from revealing that he'd had his wife visit the police station and he never even brought it up. He looked deflated; all the energy and momentum of the chase gone, replaced by utter shock and remorse.
Y'all, I bet you thought this story was going to have a happy ending. Or at least a funny one. I'm sorry to disappoint you. No happy ending here, just a cloudy moral lesson.
Kevin was fired and we never saw him again, though I insisted that Frank's wife go back down to the police station and tell Kevin's cousin everything we'd seen and heard. I felt that I owed him that much, being responsible for the initial phone call that had set everything in motion.
Yes, Frank and I learned much and more that day. That experience changed something in me. I'd like to think I'm a better person now.
Oh, I still laugh at Kevins, but I don't assume anything anymore. Oh, no. I've learned that everyone has a truth to tell, even if it comes swaddled in lies.
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A few months after Cocaine-Kevin took off for Brazil in pursuit of true love, we got a new transfer employee. We came to call him 'Aikedo-Kevin' (I'm adding the -Kevin because this is a subreddit about Kevins.)
We called him 'Aikedo' because we met him before the final act of the following chain of events took place and afterwards we just didn't have the motivation to attach anything else to him.
When I replay what happened in my head, it astounds me that this took place at all. I mean, we had our fair share of Kevins at RadioShack. There was Cocaine-Kevin, (whom you've previously met.) Crazy-Kevin, 'TP' Kevin, Kevin the Customer, and Kevin the Destroyer. Every one of these people occupy space in my brain for various reasons, but out of all these Kevins, Aikedo-Kevin is the most memorable. And not for the reason you'd most expect.
As if he represented the cosmic opposite to the Kevin he was replacing, this new Kevin came across as competent. He was older and well-kept. He didn't smell at all like sun-dried squirrel and rather than being cartoonishly fat, he was worryingly thin. He looked surprisingly normal for a RadioShack employee; completely trustworthy, certainly like the guy you'd confidently go to to get your Questions Answered.
Looking at him, I would never have believed in a million years that he would be the most profligate serial liar that I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
I know that I should start this tale at the beginning; with the story of how he got his name, but I really don't have the space, so instead we'll just rollercoaster through this cascade of events much like I did originally.
Almost from the moment Kevin showed up, things got real weird, real fast. He lasted for about six months with us, but they were unforgettable. It started with Kevin telling us that he was a 'triple-stripe; dragon-class' black belt in aikedo. Then he told us that he met Kiss back in the 70's and they invited him back to their hotel to party. Then the lies got egregious. He was late because there was a riot at Publix. Someone else ate the food that I had clearly marked and labelled in the back fridge. His dad was in the CIA and helped plan Vietnam with Henry Kissinger. He didn't know why the drawer was short $5.34. He was allergic to fruit. The list was long and got progressively weirder as the weeks went by, but it was generally innocuous; innocent.
But then he fucked up. He told a lie about NASA. Guys, this was a RadioShack. We were all nerds of various stripes, with varying areas of scientific interest and knowledge. There was NO possibility in any universe that one could just traipse into my RadioShack and successfully lie about NASA. Especially this particular lie. There was even less of a possibility that upon hearing such a lie spoken, any of us RadioShack employees would let it go unchallenged.
Ok, now that all the foreshadowing is out of the way, let me get down to the meat. I mean, that's why you're still here, right?
This chain of events spanned three days and it began in the way these things always do; somewhat accidentally.
DAY 1: THE NASA PROVOCATION
It was a normal Florida afternoon for everyone who didn't work at my store. As usual, I came in on second (closing) shift. I was taking over from Kevin, who'd just returned from his vacation. The drawer was missing $5.34. Again? Wtf? He 'fixed' it while I was in the back re-counting it. Okay. $5.34? This is so weird. I have to report this shit.
While waiting for his wife to pick him up, Kevin told me that he and his family had had a blast in Cape Canaveral. That he was able to take his son into the 'anti-gravity chamber' at NASA. He went into great detail about how they 'flew around in the tunnel.'
Now, y'all... I'm not an idiot. I very well know how NASA trains their astronauts in Zero-G. Fuck it, I'll bite.
"Uh, Kevin, they use planes to simulate zero-gravity. What are you talking about?"
He shook his head conspiratorially and said, "No, they have secret pods. There's two. One in Huntsville, Alabama, and one at Cape Canaveral. It's top-secret. I have a friend."
I stood there transfixed as Kevin embellished his experiences at NASA a bit more, making sure I knew how cool it was that his kids got to meet all the astronauts and how big the pod really was (almost as big as the Pentagon) until his wife finally showed up and they left.
I think I took a minute before going back inside. I had to call Frank (our store manager) to report the drawer discrepancy. And if I'm being honest, I also wanted to inform him of NASA's Pentagon-sized secret. We were all getting sick of Kevin's fibs, but nobody had really said anything to him yet and I knew Frank was a huge NASA fan. Repeating to him what Kevin had said was tantamount to lighting off firecrackers at a funeral, and at that age, I just wanted to watch the world burn.
Frank answered on the first ring, as I knew he would if the store was calling him.
"Heeeyyyyy, Frank. So. My drawer was short $5.34 again. Kevin somehow fixed it. He also went to the, uh, secret anti-gravity pod at NASA while he was at Cape Canaveral."
Frank laughed. There was a long pause. Then he snarled.
"What? Your drawer was short?! I'm DONE with this!" Frank hung up. I looked down at the phone. Dang. Frank is a terrible force for truth in the universe. I knew this from painful personal experience.
I got a call at 5 am to come in early; that Kevin couldn't open. Whatever. More money for me. I rolled out of bed.
When I got there, Frank was behind the counter pacing and literally purple. I've never seen a human being that color before. He looked like an engorged eggplant preparing for a Kanly duel.
I was putting my stuff away in the back when Frank stomped in behind me. He was hollering about gravity and idiots and I realized immediately that Kevin was in major, major trouble.
A frission tickled its way through my central nervous system. Fear or anticipation? Uncertain. Frank could be terrifying. Alternately, Frank could be compassionate. Frank was a real street-dude; a living tragedy-to-triumph, rags-to-riches kind of guy. He was also a VERY understanding boss. He basically only had three rules: 'Don't fuckin' steal,' 'Don't bring your personal fuckery to the store,' and, most importantly, 'Don't EVER fuckin' LIE to me.'
Those are exact quotes and he lived up to them. I know this. And now you all know this too. Kevin should have known this, but Kevin lived life on the edge.
In the backroom, I squared my shoulders and pretended to be uninterested while watching Frank's face pulse with incandescent rage.
"What's up?" I ventured, trying to hide my curiosity.
Frank exploded like something you shouldn't microwave. His purple face rippled as he tried to roll his eyes and snort simultaneously. He looked for all the world like an indignant water buffalo. Which is funny really. See, big game hunters will tell you that despite looking slow and stupid, the water buffalo is one of the most dangerous animals on Earth. African buffalo will lay traps. They will actually double back to lie in wait to hunt their hunter. And, much like the animal he resembled, Frank too was dangerous and known for his traps.
He smiled at me ferally.
"Kevin called out this morning. Apparently his cousin the St. Petersburg cop got shot last night in a drug raid."
"What does that have to do with NASA?" I said stupidly.
Frank stared at me like I was the only Red Gal in the Blue Man Group.
"I busted Kevin last night for theft." Frank said slowly, with that owlish look he saved for especially thick customers.
Okaaaay "But, what does tha-" I stopped, the light bulb over my head starting to flicker.
"Oh." I said.
Frank was still staring at me, perhaps waiting for my brain to finish its loading sequence. Accurately concluding that I was operating somewhat below dial-up speed, he sighed impatiently and continued.
"My wife called the hospital just now. They don't have anyone by the name of (Kevin's cousin's name) on file there. She called two other hospitals just to be sure."
I just looked at him blankly. "Waaaait. what?!" My mental bulb finally snapped on and flared brightly. Oh shiiit. My brain is furiously connecting dots. Did he lie to get un-caught for thieving? Is that a even a thing? Wtf?
Frank nodded grimly and picked up the phone. He dialed Kevin's number.
Unfortunately for this story, I had a customer walk in right then and therefore didn't hear what was said. Customers can be the most annoying things in the world sometimes. This one probably wasn't, but I don't remember because all I could think about was Kevin's career suicide. It seemed like an eternity passed before I was able to rejoin Frank in his investigation.
In the time I was away, Frank had learned two things: the first thing being that no cops had been shot according to the news, (which Kevin countered by claiming that the news wouldn't report a cop being shot in an on-going investigation,) and the second thing being that no hospital in the tri-county area had admitted anyone matching his cousin's name, (which Kevin dismissed by saying that secrecy was standard operating procedure in a 'Full Blackout' situation and that it's all put in place to protect a wounded cop's identity.
It was a testament to Frank's determination that he was able to do all this so quickly. Especially since this all happened back in the 90's before the sum of human knowledge was only a smartphone click away.
This inanity went on for my entire shift. Frank sending his wife to check out hospitals while he alternately called the local newspapers, TV stations, and Kevin.
Frank was terrifying in his pursuit of truth and I have to admit, it was a thing of beauty to watch him put his case together. Perry Mason be damned; Frank was on an investigative roll. But no matter what he learned, when he called Kevin, Kevin had an answer to it. A detailed answer. He went into specifics about how the bullet (9mm) hit his cousin's vest and richocheted off of a rib. He explained how it was a 'cartel case,' and everything has to be kept hush-hush. It was quite entertaining, if schadenfreude is your thing. It's not mine. I can't really explain how uncomfortable the whole thing made me feel. Like chewing on cotton. There's no way Kevin keeps his job. Kevin has the survival skills of a suicide bomber and the critical thinking skills of a cabbage. It was plain as day that Kevin was a drowning man grasping desperately for an anchor.
Finally, my shift ended and I went home mentally exhausted on Kevin's behalf.
As I left, I could see Frank behind the counter, still on the phone, hyper-focused, and absolutely intent upon some mission objective that I apparently wasn't cleared for. He told me just to be ready to close the next day.
I woke up haunted with the strange certain knowledge that disaster was nigh. Maybe it was the same instinct that allows animals to sense an earthquake before it strikes. I really don't know. I felt both uncomfortable and giddy as I readied myself for work.
When I pulled into the RadioShack, I saw that Frank's Jeep was there. So was Frank's wife's SUV. Kevin's car was nowhere to be seen.
Oh boy... this was not a good sign. I parked and went in. Immediately I could see Frank, his wife, and the employee who had opened huddled furtively together behind the counter. No customers in sight.
Excellent, I thought. Maybe I'll finally get some Answers. This IS a RadioShack, after all, right?
As I counted in my drawer, the preliminary results of Frank's investigation poured out: allegedly Kevin had been taking money from the drawer to get McDonalds for lunch. The amount ($5.34) matched perfectly with the meal Kevin was observed eating each day that he worked. No one knew why he did this. He very obviously brought his lunch in from home every morning.
Frank was a-twitter with anticipatory fury as he spoke. After the conversation he'd had with Frank the previous night, Kevin had slyly switched shifts with another employee to avoid having to open and therefore face Frank. Which, of course, had jacked Frank's temper over from red to plaid. Kevin daring to dodge him like this was simply the last straw, and he had decided he was going to fire Kevin. ...Except, despite trying all morning, he hadn't managed to actually reach Kevin to give him the news.
Frank being Frank, this had in no way deterred him. He had simply looked in Kevin's employee file and called the emergency contact. By the time I walked in, the proverbial shit had hit the fan and was well on its ballistic arc towards us in the form of Kevin's wife.
Yall. It's really important for this story that you have a mental picture of Kevin's wife. Essential, even.
Do y'all remember that 90's song 'All Star' by that band Smashmouth? Remember the lead singer? If you don't, it's okay. Just picture Guy Fieri instead. Now picture Guy Fieri/the Smashmouth dude dressed up as Xena: Warrior Princess. That's what she looked like. She was enormous. Not necessarily fat, but big. I bet she could crush a watermelon with her thighs, easy. (That's really a thing, by the way. You should probably Google it. Fuck it, here ya go )
Anyway, 'Xena' was surprised to hear that Kevin wasn't at work. She was even more stunned by what Frank had to say.
At roughly the same time this phone conversation was taking place at the RadioShack, another, weirder conversation was taking place in person across town. Out of exasperation, and to out-manuever Kevin completely, Frank had finally just sent his wife down to the police station...
...which went something like this: she walked in, and asked if any cops had been shot recently. I imagine there was a pregnant pause at the reception desk while it was hurriedly determined whether or not she was a threat or a crazy person. She asked again and was told that no, no one had been shot recently. She then asked to speak with Officer (Kevin's Cousin's Name) and lo and behold! he happened to be walking by at that exact moment, un-wounded, ambulatory, and utterly confused as to why anybody thought he'd been shot in the first place.
Perched behind the counter in the RadioShack, listening to Frank and his wife list the steps they had taken and the results of taking said steps, I actually felt kind of bad for Kevin. I mean, why would he do this?
Why would anyone make up such a ridiculous lie? What did he have to gain? And most mysteriously, why was he stealing to buy lunch when he brought his own lunch in? The whole thing was steeped in bizarre absurdity and I was beginning to lose perspective of the situation when the door-chime dinged and Kevin walked contritely into the store, followed by his strapping virago of a wife.
Y'all. Holy shit. I don't think that I will be able to properly describe what followed but I will do my best.
When I was a kid, there was a cartoon I saw once. Maybe it was part of a Disney movie, maybe a Bugs Bunny short, I don't really remember. But in it, a ginormous nanny-type woman drags a teensy man into a room by his ear to force him to apologize for something.
That's almost exactly what happened. Xena frog-marched Kevin into the RadioShack and made him apologize for stealing. She literally made him hand over an envelope with $600 in it. (The amount Frank calculated Kevin had stolen over six months.) And then she berated him for breaking the diet she had set for him.
I'm going to say that again. He broke the diet she had set for him. This ... veritable Amazon of a woman had set a caloric limit for this dude who was already so skinny that he could likely crawl through the holes in a chain-link fence. All of a sudden, it all made sense. All of it. Kevin was emasculated, hence the lies. Kevin was desperate and fucking starving, so he stole to feed himself. I was wrestling with my new-found understanding of all things Kevin when she told us the envelope was all of his 'allowance' money. At this point, I was entirely speechless. I could only gape witlessly at her.
Stealing a glance back at Frank, I could tell he was going through the very same emotional turmoil as I was.
In the uncomfortable silence, Kevin handed over his keys and mumbled something about it being great working with us and then they left.
With the possible exception of the first time I saw the cemetary scene in Steel Magnolias, I have never gone from one emotional extreme to the other so quickly. Where I had been affronted by his actions only minutes earlier, now I felt unimaginable regret and I could tell Frank felt the same way. Frank had held back from revealing that he'd had his wife visit the police station and he never even brought it up. He looked deflated; all the energy and momentum of the chase gone, replaced by utter shock and remorse.
Y'all, I bet you thought this story was going to have a happy ending. Or at least a funny one. I'm sorry to disappoint you. No happy ending here, just a cloudy moral lesson.
Kevin was fired and we never saw him again, though I insisted that Frank's wife go back down to the police station and tell Kevin's cousin everything we'd seen and heard. I felt that I owed him that much, being responsible for the initial phone call that had set everything in motion.
Yes, Frank and I learned much and more that day. That experience changed something in me. I'd like to think I'm a better person now.
Oh, I still laugh at Kevins, but I don't assume anything anymore. Oh, no. I've learned that everyone has a truth to tell, even if it comes swaddled in lies.
2023.06.08 00:30 JeliPuff Felix Vail: The Pedophile Serial Killer Caught After 54 Years (PART 1)
Yesterday I had multiple people ask me to post this, and their comment has 552 likes at the time of me writing this, so I have spent the last day and a half editing, and adding information so it's up to standard. Overall, it has taken me close to a week to make. It probably isn't perfect, but I will edit it if I notice any mistakes. I hope you enjoy ❤
I would like to start this off by saying that this is an incredibly long write-up. This case spans 54 years, and this write-up is over 8650 words long, and is in fact so long that it exceeded the character limit, forcing me to make 2 parts. u/that1guywiththehat has already covered this case, and their write-up is much shorter. I will link it here, and you can check it out if you'd like. They did a fantastic job. 😊
https://www.reddit.com/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/g3wqcc/after_18yearold_annette_craver_vail_vanishes/
Secondly, this write-up borrows EXTENSIVELY from "Gone," a 35,500 word book about the life and crimes of Felix Vail. It contains information that you simply cannot find anywhere else, and I'd estimate that around 80% of this write-up uses it's information. While it's extremely long, being over 4 times the length of this write-up, it is well worth the read. I will also link it here so you can check it out if you'd like.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/felixvailgone/2016/12/29/felix-vail-gone-one-wife-dead-two-other-missing-jerry-mitchell/95895894/
Now with that out of the way...
Born on the 16th of February 1940 to Floyd and Lillie Horton, Mary was popular, beautiful, and well liked. She became homecoming queen at Eunice High School and wrote for the school newspaper. After graduating she began attending McNeese State University where she was so popular that all 5 sororities invited her to join. She eventually chose Chi Omega.
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(Mary Horton from 1957, as Eunice High School homecoming queen.)
A FATEFUL ENCOUNTER
In 1960 she began dating William Felix Vail Sr, who goes by Felix. He was 6’, slender and in the words of another sorority girl “looked like he’d been touched by heaven.” In her diaries and messages to friends, Mary spoke of being happy and excited. However, not everything was sunshine and rainbows for the young couple.
On June 20th, 1960, Mary confided in a friend “I really do love Felix, but I don’t think that I like him anymore. He really is sweet, but we don’t see eye to eye on things.” She requested that a friend set her up on a date with another man in the hopes that Felix would leave her.
In response to this date, he came to Mary saying he suffered from a disease. She asked what disease he had. He meant Mary.
The 2 had a conversation that Mary described as ‘Felix doing all the talking, and her just listening.’ He told her that he had changed, and she said that she had too.
The 2 began dating again, but Mary continued to see other people. She attended a house party with Kelley McFarland, who afterwards heard that Vail was so angry he ‘wanted to kill him.’ McFarland tracked him down, eventually meeting him in dark woods. The 2 exchanged no blows, and they went their separate ways.
After this incident, Mary described herself as “miserable” and Felix as “jealous”, although she reiterated her love for him. There was reportedly an incident at a pool party where Felix “walked up to Mary and just slapped the heck out of her,” according to Mary’s high school boyfriend Leonard Matt.
Despite everything, Mary continued to defend him, calling him a “wonderful person.”
THE MARRIAGE
On July 1, 1961, in Eunice, Louisiana, Mary Horton and Felix Vail got married.
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(Mary Horton in her wedding dress, July 1st, 1961.)
In the fall of that year, Mary began her job as a second-grade teacher at Moss Bluff Elementary School. That December, she found out she was pregnant. Another teacher, Myrtis Quinilty said Felix didn’t want a child.
Her sister-in-law, Sue Jordan, told Mary the only reason Vail believed she wanted to get married was to have a baby, and not because of him. Mary blamed herself, saying “I can see, looking back, from many things I said how they could have been misunderstood.” Mary insisted that the couple were happy but did comment on how unattractive she felt while pregnant, a sentiment that Felix shared.
On their anniversary, Mary gave birth to William Felix Vail Jr, who they called Bill.
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(Mary holding Bill in 1962)
Within a month, Mary suspected that she may be pregnant again. At this time, strange things began to happen in the couple’s apartment. One morning, the couple awoke to find their front door had been removed from its hinges. Another time, they found the front door of their apartment wide open. Nothing was stolen.
Mary began receiving threatening calls. The couple concluded that whoever was calling must be watching them because the caller only ever did it when Felix wasn’t home.
Mary spoke with her mother about divorcing Felix. Her mother, a devout Catholic, urged her daughter to stay and work things out. It would be a fatal mistake.
MARY'S DEATH
On October 28th, 1962, at 7:30pm, Felix Vail drove up to Shell Beach saying that his wife had fallen in the water of the Calcasieu River while they were running trot lines. It took 2 days to find her body, close to where Vail had said she disappeared.
Her funeral was held on October 31st. Vail never paid a cent for it.
On November 4th deputies arrested Vail at work, hauling him to jail and questioning him. He refused to take a lie detector test. The coroner ruled Mary’s death an “accidental drowning,” a sentiment not shared by the officers who found her body, or the community at large. Days later, Vail was released without charge, as the D.A declined to prosecute.
Months later, he picked up his son, Bill, from the Louisiana home of his late wife’s aunt and headed for Mississippi. According to Bill years later, Vail told him that he and Mary were out fishing, that a boat had come by and caused a big wave and knocked her out of the boat. Mary didn’t know how to swim, had no life jacket (despite being afraid of water) and so immediately sank and drowned. He said he had almost died trying to rescue her.
I will go further in depth into Mary’s death further down this write-up when I go through the investigation that followed, decades later. There are more details that I will cover there.
ROBIN SINCLAIR:
In this section I will cover his relationship with a girlfriend between the murders of Mary Horton and Sharon Hensley. Vail was a full-time scumbag and I want to illustrate that, as well as show some of the other lives he’s impacted, and other people he’s hurt. I will be covering multiple instances like this one. If you only want to read about the 3 murder victims, feel free to scroll down, I have them clearly marked for convenience.
AN 11 YEAR AGE GAP AND A DEAD-BEAT DAD
In 1967, Vail met a 17-year-old Robin Sinclair at a bus stop in San Diego. (Vail would have been 28 at this time. Large age gaps will be a theme in this write up.) She was spending the summer there with her sister, and the 2 began dating. When summer break ended, she left without him, returning home to San Francisco.
In October of 1968 while attending an Iron Butterflies concert, Vail appeared again. Sinclair took it as a sign that the 2 belonged together. He had his young son Bill, and the 3 bounced from place to place together. Sinclair would later describe how Bill was poorly looked after, neglected and that Vail would even give the young boy drugs. Bill would later recount his father giving him LSD as a child.
While watching over another couple’s home during the Christmas holidays, she learned she was pregnant and shared the news with Vail. He said, “Well, I don’t think you’re emotionally stable enough to handle the pregnancy.” The next morning, Vail and his young son had vanished. A friend told Sinclair that he went back to Mississippi, that it was time for his son to go to school and that he didn’t want to be with her.
Heartbroken, Sinclair would move in with her parents. In August of 1969 she gave birth to her daughter, who she named Simone. She wrote Vail an angry letter, and 2 months later he showed up on her doorstep. She told him to leave, and that she never wanted to see him again. She never did.
Sharon Hensley was born on December 20th, 1948. Growing up in the state capital of Bismarck, North Dakota, she dated football players and belonged to the high school’s 'Demonettes', an award-winning dance team founded by a former Rockette.
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(A photo of Sharon Hensley.)
She graduated in 1966, and attended Bismarck Junior College, where she took classes in dance and acting, performing in a play with her older brother, Frank.
In 1967, aged 19, Sharon discovered she was pregnant. Wanting to escape her hometown, she followed her brother Frank and other classmates to San Francisco. After arriving, she stayed in a home for single mothers, where she gave birth to a girl she named “Cherry” after the popular Neil Diamond song. She told friends she wanted to keep the child but was unable to. Two years after leaving for California, Sharon was in jail and her mother, Peggy, headed there with a $5,000 cashier’s check to bail her out. When she returned, Sharon wasn’t with her.
“She said she had lost her daughter,” her younger brother Brian would later say. “She cried almost every night. She was never the same after that.”
MEETING VAIL
While house-sitting in a high-rise apartment, Vail would meet his future girlfriend, Sharon. She was 20, and attractive, having even modeled in her teens. They became friends, and then started a relationship despite the 10-year age gap.
While hitchhiking across California, Vail would confess to Hensley that he had killed Mary, something his son Bill overheard. Because of this, Bill would later go to the police to report his own father for murder. The police at first didn’t believe Bill, but after camping out on the front steps, one detective listened. He told the detective that he was hungry, tired of using the drugs his father gave him, that he wanted to go back to school, live like other kids, and that he had overheard his father admit to killing his mother.
At a beach along the Merced River, police found his father and Hensley, carrying a bag of LSD capsules. Police charged the couple with LSD possession and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Vail received a six-month jail sentence, plus three years’ probation, after pleading guilty to a lesser charge of LSD possession.
California police shared their information with Louisiana authorities. Once again, the district attorney in Lake Charles once again passed on prosecuting Vail for murder. Another fatal mistake.
Bill returned to Mississippi to live with his grandparents, who then gained full custody. On January 23rd, 1971, Vail and Sharon showed up in the driveway. Bill thought Vail was there to kill him, and his grandmother had to reassure him that he was safe.
The father and son eventually sat down and had a talk. Vail told Bill that he didn’t blame him for the time he spent in prison, but instead blamed Sharon, which the young boy found strange because “she had nothing to do with it.”
The family wondered how the couple could even legally be in Mississippi if they were supposed to be on probation in California. They couldn’t. After a visit from the Sheriff, the 2 were smuggled out of town and given enough money to get back to the West Coast.
In the Summer of 1972, the couple appeared unannounced at Sharon’s childhood home in Bismarck. The more the family saw of the couple, the more horrified they became. Sharon wore a mini skirt with no panties and had armpit hair and leg hair "like a man." She had been losing weight and losing clumps of hair.
Her younger brother Brian said it felt like his sister had been brainwashed. If someone asked her a question, “either Felix would answer the question for her, or she would look at Felix while she was giving the answer.”
The couple left then North Dakota and traveled to Mississippi, where they stayed with Vail’s family. On the dairy farm the family owned, they helped paint the home. The couple also sunbathed in the nude, drawing the ire of neighbors.
Peggy Hensley received a telephone call from Sharon, who said she and Vail were heading to New Orleans and then to Miami to make pornographic films. She believed it was a cry for help as “what daughter tells her mother she’s going to do a porno?” Sharon’s parents wanted to travel down to get their daughter back but couldn’t. (The 2 did end up shooting pornographic scenes together, but I won’t get into any of that.)
In early 1973, Sharon called and talked of traveling to South America with Vail, where they would eat natural foods and write a book. It was the last conversation the family would ever have with her. Soon after, she would send her final letter. It contained a photo of her holding a pen, captioned “making travel notes.” It was the last picture ever taken of Sharon Hensley.
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(The last photo ever taken of Sharon.)
THE DISAPPEARANCE
In March of 1974, Peggy received a letter from Vail, claiming he was in West Florida. He wrote that he last saw Sharon about a year before in Key West, with an Australian couple that was traveling around the world. All he recalled was the first names of the couple (John and Vanessa), who were talking with Sharon about “island hopping around South America, the West Indies, --- Hawaii for a while, maybe a couple of years in the Philippines, then India, Egypt and the Mediterranean islands and coasts. I don’t know which of these (if any) they decided on or in what order.” Peggy didn't believe a word of it.
In the fall of 1975, Vail’s mother wrote to the Hensley family, saying that her son was surprised the family hadn’t heard from Sharon during that time. Interestingly, Vail told his mother the names of the couple that Sharon left with were Frank and Sally, different names than he had given a year earlier. Vail explained to his mother that before Sharon left, she had burned all her identification cards, got new IDs, and declared that she would become a completely different person.
Bill recalled his father mentioning Sharon. “He said she would never bother anyone ever again.” The words upset Bill, who believed his father had just confessed to another murder. “There was not a soul I could tell about it because I had had my experience in court when I was 8, no one would believe me. It would be my word against his, and no one would believe a 13-year-old.”
SHARON CAMPBELL:
I want to talk about this relationship because of the egregious age difference. For reference, Campbell is only 4 years older than Vail’s son.
While riding a bus to north Mississippi in 1975, Vail sat next to 17-year-old Sharon Campbell. Despite being literally twice her age, he commented on how fit she looked, saying "he needed someone like her to keep him fit." In spite of this, she felt flattered and shared her telephone number with him. Not long after she got home, Vail appeared in a yellow Volkswagen bug.
Vail said he wanted Campbell to travel with him, and she told him the only way her parents would allow it was if they got married.
On July 24, 1975, they did, honeymooning in Gulf Shores, Alabama.
In court years later, she would tell prosecutors that they never consummated the marriage because “he was unable to obtain an erection.” (This isn’t relevant, I just wanted to include it out of spite because fuck this guy.)
Several weeks later, she went with Vail to visit his relatives in Louisiana. There, she said a niece told her, “You probably need to know that he killed his first wife --- they arrested him. We all believed that he did it, he drowned her out of a boat.”
Campbell didn't believe them, telling herself that he would be in prison if he was a murderer. But as the months passed by, she concluded that he “had no value in the female gender,” and that “he hated women.”
She later traveled with Vail to his parents’ home in Montpelier. While there, he was outdoors working on the Volkswagen and Campbell walked closer without him noticing. He opened a compartment, and she said she saw “sinister, surgical looking saws of all shapes and sizes in a neat formation.” To her, the sight screamed evil. “It scared me. I said, ‘I’m not going anywhere with you.’” She left, annulled the marriage, and never looked back. It was likely the best decision she ever made.
After the divorce he would marry a woman named Carolyn in 1977. The relationship would end after he cheated on her with a woman named Alexandra Christianson during a double date. When Carolyn called Vail’s mother and asked her if the behavior surprised her, she simply replied “no.”
After being served the divorce papers, Vail smashed his car into her MGB Sports Car. A month later he would call her saying “I love you.” She did not reciprocate. She would later describe Vail as “mentally deranged.”
ALEXANDRA CHRISTIANSON:
Alexandra is the woman Vail cheated on Carolyn with. She eventually got married to him in Mexico after he officially divorced Carolyn. Not long after their marriage, she heard that Vail was cheating on her.
After a motorcycle accident, he came to rest up at her condo in Costa Mesa, where she confronted him about the cheating. He reportedly got agitated and said, “you know my first wife died.” When she replied saying he’d told her she drowned, Vail shot back “I could have saved her, but I chose not to.”
After telling him to leave, she went to have a shower. While in the shower, Vail attacked her, wrapping his hands around her neck. Hearing her screams, Alexandra’s young brother came in, grabbing Vail and forcing him to the ground. Vail then left.
Soon after this, she found out she was pregnant. The child was still-born, and Alexandra was heart-broken. She would later lead important investigators to witnesses that were used in Vail's eventual trial.
In part 2, I will cover Vail's final victim Annette Craver, and the lengths her mother went to to finally secure justice.
Here is Part 2:
https://www.reddit.com/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/143riqi/felix_vail_the_pedophile_serial_killer_caught/
MY SOURCES:
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/8284?nav
https://charleyproject.org/case/annette-michelle-craver-vail
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/felixvailgone/2016/12/29/felix-vail-gone-one-wife-dead-two-other-missing-jerry-mitchell/95895894/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5796622/mary-elizabeth-vail
https://charleyproject.org/case/sharon-hensley
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/20525?nav
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I would like to start this off by saying that this is an incredibly long write-up. This case spans 54 years, and this write-up is over 8650 words long, and is in fact so long that it exceeded the character limit, forcing me to make 2 parts. u/that1guywiththehat has already covered this case, and their write-up is much shorter. I will link it here, and you can check it out if you'd like. They did a fantastic job. 😊
https://www.reddit.com/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/g3wqcc/after_18yearold_annette_craver_vail_vanishes/
Secondly, this write-up borrows EXTENSIVELY from "Gone," a 35,500 word book about the life and crimes of Felix Vail. It contains information that you simply cannot find anywhere else, and I'd estimate that around 80% of this write-up uses it's information. While it's extremely long, being over 4 times the length of this write-up, it is well worth the read. I will also link it here so you can check it out if you'd like.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/felixvailgone/2016/12/29/felix-vail-gone-one-wife-dead-two-other-missing-jerry-mitchell/95895894/
Now with that out of the way...
PART 1:
MARY HORTON:
Born on the 16th of February 1940 to Floyd and Lillie Horton, Mary was popular, beautiful, and well liked. She became homecoming queen at Eunice High School and wrote for the school newspaper. After graduating she began attending McNeese State University where she was so popular that all 5 sororities invited her to join. She eventually chose Chi Omega.
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(Mary Horton from 1957, as Eunice High School homecoming queen.)
A FATEFUL ENCOUNTER
In 1960 she began dating William Felix Vail Sr, who goes by Felix. He was 6’, slender and in the words of another sorority girl “looked like he’d been touched by heaven.” In her diaries and messages to friends, Mary spoke of being happy and excited. However, not everything was sunshine and rainbows for the young couple.
On June 20th, 1960, Mary confided in a friend “I really do love Felix, but I don’t think that I like him anymore. He really is sweet, but we don’t see eye to eye on things.” She requested that a friend set her up on a date with another man in the hopes that Felix would leave her.
In response to this date, he came to Mary saying he suffered from a disease. She asked what disease he had. He meant Mary.
The 2 had a conversation that Mary described as ‘Felix doing all the talking, and her just listening.’ He told her that he had changed, and she said that she had too.
The 2 began dating again, but Mary continued to see other people. She attended a house party with Kelley McFarland, who afterwards heard that Vail was so angry he ‘wanted to kill him.’ McFarland tracked him down, eventually meeting him in dark woods. The 2 exchanged no blows, and they went their separate ways.
After this incident, Mary described herself as “miserable” and Felix as “jealous”, although she reiterated her love for him. There was reportedly an incident at a pool party where Felix “walked up to Mary and just slapped the heck out of her,” according to Mary’s high school boyfriend Leonard Matt.
Despite everything, Mary continued to defend him, calling him a “wonderful person.”
THE MARRIAGE
On July 1, 1961, in Eunice, Louisiana, Mary Horton and Felix Vail got married.
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(Mary Horton in her wedding dress, July 1st, 1961.)
In the fall of that year, Mary began her job as a second-grade teacher at Moss Bluff Elementary School. That December, she found out she was pregnant. Another teacher, Myrtis Quinilty said Felix didn’t want a child.
Her sister-in-law, Sue Jordan, told Mary the only reason Vail believed she wanted to get married was to have a baby, and not because of him. Mary blamed herself, saying “I can see, looking back, from many things I said how they could have been misunderstood.” Mary insisted that the couple were happy but did comment on how unattractive she felt while pregnant, a sentiment that Felix shared.
On their anniversary, Mary gave birth to William Felix Vail Jr, who they called Bill.
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(Mary holding Bill in 1962)
Within a month, Mary suspected that she may be pregnant again. At this time, strange things began to happen in the couple’s apartment. One morning, the couple awoke to find their front door had been removed from its hinges. Another time, they found the front door of their apartment wide open. Nothing was stolen.
Mary began receiving threatening calls. The couple concluded that whoever was calling must be watching them because the caller only ever did it when Felix wasn’t home.
Mary spoke with her mother about divorcing Felix. Her mother, a devout Catholic, urged her daughter to stay and work things out. It would be a fatal mistake.
MARY'S DEATH
On October 28th, 1962, at 7:30pm, Felix Vail drove up to Shell Beach saying that his wife had fallen in the water of the Calcasieu River while they were running trot lines. It took 2 days to find her body, close to where Vail had said she disappeared.
Her funeral was held on October 31st. Vail never paid a cent for it.
On November 4th deputies arrested Vail at work, hauling him to jail and questioning him. He refused to take a lie detector test. The coroner ruled Mary’s death an “accidental drowning,” a sentiment not shared by the officers who found her body, or the community at large. Days later, Vail was released without charge, as the D.A declined to prosecute.
Months later, he picked up his son, Bill, from the Louisiana home of his late wife’s aunt and headed for Mississippi. According to Bill years later, Vail told him that he and Mary were out fishing, that a boat had come by and caused a big wave and knocked her out of the boat. Mary didn’t know how to swim, had no life jacket (despite being afraid of water) and so immediately sank and drowned. He said he had almost died trying to rescue her.
I will go further in depth into Mary’s death further down this write-up when I go through the investigation that followed, decades later. There are more details that I will cover there.
ROBIN SINCLAIR:
In this section I will cover his relationship with a girlfriend between the murders of Mary Horton and Sharon Hensley. Vail was a full-time scumbag and I want to illustrate that, as well as show some of the other lives he’s impacted, and other people he’s hurt. I will be covering multiple instances like this one. If you only want to read about the 3 murder victims, feel free to scroll down, I have them clearly marked for convenience.
AN 11 YEAR AGE GAP AND A DEAD-BEAT DAD
In 1967, Vail met a 17-year-old Robin Sinclair at a bus stop in San Diego. (Vail would have been 28 at this time. Large age gaps will be a theme in this write up.) She was spending the summer there with her sister, and the 2 began dating. When summer break ended, she left without him, returning home to San Francisco.
In October of 1968 while attending an Iron Butterflies concert, Vail appeared again. Sinclair took it as a sign that the 2 belonged together. He had his young son Bill, and the 3 bounced from place to place together. Sinclair would later describe how Bill was poorly looked after, neglected and that Vail would even give the young boy drugs. Bill would later recount his father giving him LSD as a child.
While watching over another couple’s home during the Christmas holidays, she learned she was pregnant and shared the news with Vail. He said, “Well, I don’t think you’re emotionally stable enough to handle the pregnancy.” The next morning, Vail and his young son had vanished. A friend told Sinclair that he went back to Mississippi, that it was time for his son to go to school and that he didn’t want to be with her.
Heartbroken, Sinclair would move in with her parents. In August of 1969 she gave birth to her daughter, who she named Simone. She wrote Vail an angry letter, and 2 months later he showed up on her doorstep. She told him to leave, and that she never wanted to see him again. She never did.
SHARON HENSLEY:
Sharon Hensley was born on December 20th, 1948. Growing up in the state capital of Bismarck, North Dakota, she dated football players and belonged to the high school’s 'Demonettes', an award-winning dance team founded by a former Rockette.
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(A photo of Sharon Hensley.)
She graduated in 1966, and attended Bismarck Junior College, where she took classes in dance and acting, performing in a play with her older brother, Frank.
In 1967, aged 19, Sharon discovered she was pregnant. Wanting to escape her hometown, she followed her brother Frank and other classmates to San Francisco. After arriving, she stayed in a home for single mothers, where she gave birth to a girl she named “Cherry” after the popular Neil Diamond song. She told friends she wanted to keep the child but was unable to. Two years after leaving for California, Sharon was in jail and her mother, Peggy, headed there with a $5,000 cashier’s check to bail her out. When she returned, Sharon wasn’t with her.
“She said she had lost her daughter,” her younger brother Brian would later say. “She cried almost every night. She was never the same after that.”
MEETING VAIL
While house-sitting in a high-rise apartment, Vail would meet his future girlfriend, Sharon. She was 20, and attractive, having even modeled in her teens. They became friends, and then started a relationship despite the 10-year age gap.
While hitchhiking across California, Vail would confess to Hensley that he had killed Mary, something his son Bill overheard. Because of this, Bill would later go to the police to report his own father for murder. The police at first didn’t believe Bill, but after camping out on the front steps, one detective listened. He told the detective that he was hungry, tired of using the drugs his father gave him, that he wanted to go back to school, live like other kids, and that he had overheard his father admit to killing his mother.
At a beach along the Merced River, police found his father and Hensley, carrying a bag of LSD capsules. Police charged the couple with LSD possession and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Vail received a six-month jail sentence, plus three years’ probation, after pleading guilty to a lesser charge of LSD possession.
California police shared their information with Louisiana authorities. Once again, the district attorney in Lake Charles once again passed on prosecuting Vail for murder. Another fatal mistake.
Bill returned to Mississippi to live with his grandparents, who then gained full custody. On January 23rd, 1971, Vail and Sharon showed up in the driveway. Bill thought Vail was there to kill him, and his grandmother had to reassure him that he was safe.
The father and son eventually sat down and had a talk. Vail told Bill that he didn’t blame him for the time he spent in prison, but instead blamed Sharon, which the young boy found strange because “she had nothing to do with it.”
The family wondered how the couple could even legally be in Mississippi if they were supposed to be on probation in California. They couldn’t. After a visit from the Sheriff, the 2 were smuggled out of town and given enough money to get back to the West Coast.
In the Summer of 1972, the couple appeared unannounced at Sharon’s childhood home in Bismarck. The more the family saw of the couple, the more horrified they became. Sharon wore a mini skirt with no panties and had armpit hair and leg hair "like a man." She had been losing weight and losing clumps of hair.
Her younger brother Brian said it felt like his sister had been brainwashed. If someone asked her a question, “either Felix would answer the question for her, or she would look at Felix while she was giving the answer.”
The couple left then North Dakota and traveled to Mississippi, where they stayed with Vail’s family. On the dairy farm the family owned, they helped paint the home. The couple also sunbathed in the nude, drawing the ire of neighbors.
Peggy Hensley received a telephone call from Sharon, who said she and Vail were heading to New Orleans and then to Miami to make pornographic films. She believed it was a cry for help as “what daughter tells her mother she’s going to do a porno?” Sharon’s parents wanted to travel down to get their daughter back but couldn’t. (The 2 did end up shooting pornographic scenes together, but I won’t get into any of that.)
In early 1973, Sharon called and talked of traveling to South America with Vail, where they would eat natural foods and write a book. It was the last conversation the family would ever have with her. Soon after, she would send her final letter. It contained a photo of her holding a pen, captioned “making travel notes.” It was the last picture ever taken of Sharon Hensley.
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(The last photo ever taken of Sharon.)
THE DISAPPEARANCE
In March of 1974, Peggy received a letter from Vail, claiming he was in West Florida. He wrote that he last saw Sharon about a year before in Key West, with an Australian couple that was traveling around the world. All he recalled was the first names of the couple (John and Vanessa), who were talking with Sharon about “island hopping around South America, the West Indies, --- Hawaii for a while, maybe a couple of years in the Philippines, then India, Egypt and the Mediterranean islands and coasts. I don’t know which of these (if any) they decided on or in what order.” Peggy didn't believe a word of it.
In the fall of 1975, Vail’s mother wrote to the Hensley family, saying that her son was surprised the family hadn’t heard from Sharon during that time. Interestingly, Vail told his mother the names of the couple that Sharon left with were Frank and Sally, different names than he had given a year earlier. Vail explained to his mother that before Sharon left, she had burned all her identification cards, got new IDs, and declared that she would become a completely different person.
Bill recalled his father mentioning Sharon. “He said she would never bother anyone ever again.” The words upset Bill, who believed his father had just confessed to another murder. “There was not a soul I could tell about it because I had had my experience in court when I was 8, no one would believe me. It would be my word against his, and no one would believe a 13-year-old.”
SHARON CAMPBELL:
I want to talk about this relationship because of the egregious age difference. For reference, Campbell is only 4 years older than Vail’s son.
While riding a bus to north Mississippi in 1975, Vail sat next to 17-year-old Sharon Campbell. Despite being literally twice her age, he commented on how fit she looked, saying "he needed someone like her to keep him fit." In spite of this, she felt flattered and shared her telephone number with him. Not long after she got home, Vail appeared in a yellow Volkswagen bug.
Vail said he wanted Campbell to travel with him, and she told him the only way her parents would allow it was if they got married.
On July 24, 1975, they did, honeymooning in Gulf Shores, Alabama.
In court years later, she would tell prosecutors that they never consummated the marriage because “he was unable to obtain an erection.” (This isn’t relevant, I just wanted to include it out of spite because fuck this guy.)
Several weeks later, she went with Vail to visit his relatives in Louisiana. There, she said a niece told her, “You probably need to know that he killed his first wife --- they arrested him. We all believed that he did it, he drowned her out of a boat.”
Campbell didn't believe them, telling herself that he would be in prison if he was a murderer. But as the months passed by, she concluded that he “had no value in the female gender,” and that “he hated women.”
She later traveled with Vail to his parents’ home in Montpelier. While there, he was outdoors working on the Volkswagen and Campbell walked closer without him noticing. He opened a compartment, and she said she saw “sinister, surgical looking saws of all shapes and sizes in a neat formation.” To her, the sight screamed evil. “It scared me. I said, ‘I’m not going anywhere with you.’” She left, annulled the marriage, and never looked back. It was likely the best decision she ever made.
After the divorce he would marry a woman named Carolyn in 1977. The relationship would end after he cheated on her with a woman named Alexandra Christianson during a double date. When Carolyn called Vail’s mother and asked her if the behavior surprised her, she simply replied “no.”
After being served the divorce papers, Vail smashed his car into her MGB Sports Car. A month later he would call her saying “I love you.” She did not reciprocate. She would later describe Vail as “mentally deranged.”
ALEXANDRA CHRISTIANSON:
Alexandra is the woman Vail cheated on Carolyn with. She eventually got married to him in Mexico after he officially divorced Carolyn. Not long after their marriage, she heard that Vail was cheating on her.
After a motorcycle accident, he came to rest up at her condo in Costa Mesa, where she confronted him about the cheating. He reportedly got agitated and said, “you know my first wife died.” When she replied saying he’d told her she drowned, Vail shot back “I could have saved her, but I chose not to.”
After telling him to leave, she went to have a shower. While in the shower, Vail attacked her, wrapping his hands around her neck. Hearing her screams, Alexandra’s young brother came in, grabbing Vail and forcing him to the ground. Vail then left.
Soon after this, she found out she was pregnant. The child was still-born, and Alexandra was heart-broken. She would later lead important investigators to witnesses that were used in Vail's eventual trial.
In part 2, I will cover Vail's final victim Annette Craver, and the lengths her mother went to to finally secure justice.
Here is Part 2:
https://www.reddit.com/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/143riqi/felix_vail_the_pedophile_serial_killer_caught/
MY SOURCES:
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/8284?nav
https://charleyproject.org/case/annette-michelle-craver-vail
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/felixvailgone/2016/12/29/felix-vail-gone-one-wife-dead-two-other-missing-jerry-mitchell/95895894/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5796622/mary-elizabeth-vail
https://charleyproject.org/case/sharon-hensley
https://www.namus.gov/MissingPersons/Case#/20525?nav
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2023.06.07 13:50 CanidPsychopomp The Sopranos and my fucking life story
So anyway if you don't wanna listen, fuck you. I gotta coupla tree tings to say.
First of all I wanna make clear to alla youse that I bin in this thing FROM THE BEGINNING. First fucking episode, first fucking day alright? I recognised the potential from the start. So don't be giving me no attitude.
What it is, is that this fucking show, this fuck tv progrum has reflected and predicted some bits of my life, and maybe not just by chance but because of a couple dumb choices I made. Or maybe I'm the one who needs to get my head examined, I don't know. Paging Dr Melfi! Fuck that, I couldn't afford her pass me another Zoloft wouldya?
So anyway back where I'm from I got involved in a coupla things, nothing heavy, took a few risks. Never faced no consequences. Then I met this girl. Madone! From the first I was smitten. Thick curly black hair, dark eyes and an ass to die for. My thing was kinda windin down and I was ready for pastures new so we upped and moved back where she's from. Now this is Spain. These muthafuckas don't got things organised the way they do in Italy, but believe you me behind the scenes there's a lot going on. None of that interested me however, I was going straight and that was that. For the most part.
But the fucking family. Now my own family are a shitshow in their own right, but I walked right into a whole thing here.
Let me start with my jagoff brother-in-law. This stoogatz was a lazy fucking chifosa gavone, and a complete bullshit artist to boot. When I met him he seemed to make a living by doing some shit in nightclubs, who knows. He was always with the stories, how he was with a crew of mulignans in London, how he was tight with the Bulgarians that ran all the doors in the city, how he'd been a bodyguard when he was in the army. I didn't give a fuck. All bullshit as far as anyone could tell. So anyway, this is maybe 2002, 2002 and I start buying up the DVD boxsets when they come out. You remember them? You kids these days got know idea how it was back then. I was sick of listening to this motherfucker so I lend the cunt the season 1 box set. Mistake.
Thing is the stoonad really, and I mean really started to identify with it. First of all it was Livia. I mean the asshole was not wrong- his own mother, my mother-in-law, yeah, she was a Livia. God rest her soul she's gone now and there isn't a day I'm not thankful.
Then he watched the episode where Chris and Brendan jack the truck, and fuck me if he doesn't start telling me the very next week how him and his crew jacked a truckload of watches or some shit over the weekend. I just looked at him straight-faced while he tells me THE FUCKING EPISODE but with him as main character. He doesn't bat a fucking eylid, I think, this cunt is deranged, he's fucking loonytunes. I get the impression that while he's telling it, he's really believing it.
Anyway he goes from bad to worse but I'll get onto that.
But now my fucking fawtha-in-law. I mean this guy is a piece of work too. At times he's not around much in those days, as he can't spend all that much time around Livia before he fucks off to Florida, I mean Malaga, or the islands where he's got like two whole other families. This guy made a fuckton of money in the 80s and 90s somehow- I mean, he had legitimate businesses but there was some connected stuff going on too. They ran clubs and parties, and had close friends who did too, and there was even a couple of things about helping out some pretty high up people with looking after associates and stuff at critical moments. Colombians and Gallicians (they are up on the far north west coast and in those days they were bringing it all in that way).
In 2000 and whatever when I get there, he's past that for the most part, though he still was doing a bit of beach lookout stuff down south and hanging out with some questionable characters for a while. He's the type you know, he can be funny and charming and entertaining, but by and large he's just a fucking toxic narcissist. Used to be a tough guy, but to be honest in Spain they are more about talking about violence than actually doing it. Anyway, muthafucka pointed a gun at me twice, threatened to kill me one time. By this time my wife and I had built a house on the family compound, so after that he had to go away as far as I was concerned. Where I come from you make a threat you gotta be prepared to go through with or face the consequences as if you were gonna. Spanish people talk to much but I'm form where I'm from. So he was gone again, for a few years, till his goomars or whatever the fuck you wanna call them got sick of him and he put the feelers out to be able to come back. I gotta say, the family worked on me and I gave him a pass. We got drunk and high together a coupla tree times and worked it out, for a few years anyways.
So to the fucking brother-in-law. He gives me a ride one time in this car. Cracks open a hiddenc compartment he's got under the glove box, pulls out a pistol. Now this isn't the USA, where that shit is normal. Who knows, maybe it was fake. He's still living in some shithole apartment and from what I can tell conning women into paying for his lifestyle. Who the fuck knows it's all bullshit anyway, but things are obviously moving along for him. One time some friends visit for the weekend and he's around. They need to go to the airport in the morning and he says he going that way and can take them. I warn them they'll be better off taking the train but they go with him anyway. He shows up in full military uniform. Now this asshole did legitmiamtely spend a coulple of years in the military, but he shows up dressed as a major or a general or some shit. In the car on the way my friends are terrified as he drives at about 120mph all the way, weaving in and out of traffic, and all the time he never shuts up. Guy speaks ok English. He tells them how he's in the special forces, and he's getting a helicopter to Afghanistan to do some top secret shit, then coming back the same day. Some fucking helicopter. Turns out he's actually running some con on some poor woman in airport security.
Another time my brother comes over, he's only like 18 or something. Felipe (my b-i-l) invites him out clubbing. He's clearly at least a little connected as they waltz into every club straight past the line and sit in the VIP area drinking rum and cokes and doing lines.
Another time another brother of mine is over (there's a few of us, my dad was Irish and he put it about). Felipe shows up ready for a night out, dressed in black suit, black shirt and some fucking blood red shiny tie, shiny shoes and all. Now me and my brother have had a drink or two, smoked a couple joints already (we went out a nearly got in a fight with some lesbians later that night) and anyway he's a bit of a roughneck fucker. Spent a couple years in the can too, later on. My brother-in-law is trying to be funny, I'm ignoring him, he makes some racist joke which my brother isn't into so he looks him in the eye and asks 'why the fuck you dressed like an extra from a gangster movie?' Fucking stoonad soon leaves.
Another time he's like come up to my apartment, and he pulls out a big bag of coke and offers it to me. We do a couple lines, it's junk, no good shit like it always is here and I'm about over that stuff by now anyway, but I spent a while in Colombia and I can hold my own. He tells me he has it because someone owed him money and they gave him it in lieu after having to threaten the guy, so I think huh ok you talk a good game motherfucker let's see what you do. I think my wife is away with the baby at her sister's at this point maybe, at least that's how I wanna remember it. Anyway this shit is cut to fuck and not that strong so I think I'm gonna make the biggest fucking lines and see if we can do all of it and see if he makes a fuss. He makes a noise a couple times but doesn't try and stop me.
At this point I pretty much think it's all just basically cosplay. But then shit gets real. We get a call that he's arrested, locked up. And it's not just some bullshit either. The guy played the lead role in a stick up, dressed as police. The story goes the person they were sticking up was also connected, but I don't know. Anyway he gets caught and the rest of the crew don't, and he spends like three years in jail. His girlfriend comes over night of, telling me all kinds of tall tales, asking me to go with her to his apartment to pick up some shit the next day cos she's afraid to go on her own. My wife's away at this point down at the house by the shore with the kids, and I think about trying something but think nah fuck it, it'll be more hassle than it's worth.
When he comes out, I think he knows he aint got the stones for the carcelary experience really. The one time I go visit him he's got a black eye. Slipped in the shower, he says. I give him Goodfellas, Scarface and The French Connection to watch in there. When he comes out he sets up in the building trade, which is a pretty good way to rip people off if you know how. This goes on for years, he even manages to rip me off at one point but I stiff him on some of what he wants from me so I guess it works out even.
So it's years later. I'm just a working joe basically. We are still on the family compound. The father-in-law is there too, but in another building a little ways away, and my sister in law is also there. We've built a granny flat for Livia, but she doesn't get much time to enjoy it. We're away at the beach and we get the call that my other brother in law has found her floating in the pool. A stroke. Unsurprising really with the way she enjoyed a daily mix of uppers and downers.
Motherfucking Felipe tries to shake us down straightaway. The property was in Livia's sole name, for various legal reasons and her dying really made the shit hit the fan. We tell him fuck you. This is like 4 years ago now, maybe 5.
Since then motherfucker has snitched on the property for whatever the fuck- nothing here was ever exactly legit and up to code, but there's usually ways around stuff unless some motherfucker meddles. Has tried to, pretended to be going to run us down with his car. Has made sundry threats and calumnies to anyone willing to listen.
So one night he shows up when we are celebrating something or other round a fire out by the woods. He gets into an argument with my wife and says some things he shouldn't, so I get up in his face and tell him to watch his mouth. He pushes me, like a fucking playground fight, and bad luck I fall back over the picnic table we got set up there. I get up an my wife and fucking daughter, who's like 18 by now are up in his face and he starts pushing them so I punch him in the face. Not a good shot, I'd been drinking 18 year old scotch all night. Mayhem, other guys there separate all of us but he keeps on screaming and raging. One point I pick up an empty vodka bottle but I don't do nothing with it. People manage to push him away, get him to his car but he keep screaming how he's gonna kill me, one time he'll find me on my own down the track (we've got more than a mile of rough country road to get to the compound). The highlight is I'm gonna get put in the trunk, he's had people in the trunk of his car for less. Oh and various slurs, anti-Northern European discrimination I call it.
This is all a couple years ago. Like I said I've got a few brothers. A couple of them we've always said anything heavy needs doing we'll be there for one another. Like I said, one of them did a couple years in the can, another was in the forces for a while, been under fire, shot a couple or tree bad guys in his time.
But I aint done shit, and he aint done shit neither. I sometimes think if I'd a realised the true point of the show that I'd'a run a mile way back when. Or if at least I hadn't lent the motherfucker my box set, things might coulda gone another way.
Fuck it, it's all a big nothing anyways.
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First of all I wanna make clear to alla youse that I bin in this thing FROM THE BEGINNING. First fucking episode, first fucking day alright? I recognised the potential from the start. So don't be giving me no attitude.
What it is, is that this fucking show, this fuck tv progrum has reflected and predicted some bits of my life, and maybe not just by chance but because of a couple dumb choices I made. Or maybe I'm the one who needs to get my head examined, I don't know. Paging Dr Melfi! Fuck that, I couldn't afford her pass me another Zoloft wouldya?
So anyway back where I'm from I got involved in a coupla things, nothing heavy, took a few risks. Never faced no consequences. Then I met this girl. Madone! From the first I was smitten. Thick curly black hair, dark eyes and an ass to die for. My thing was kinda windin down and I was ready for pastures new so we upped and moved back where she's from. Now this is Spain. These muthafuckas don't got things organised the way they do in Italy, but believe you me behind the scenes there's a lot going on. None of that interested me however, I was going straight and that was that. For the most part.
But the fucking family. Now my own family are a shitshow in their own right, but I walked right into a whole thing here.
Let me start with my jagoff brother-in-law. This stoogatz was a lazy fucking chifosa gavone, and a complete bullshit artist to boot. When I met him he seemed to make a living by doing some shit in nightclubs, who knows. He was always with the stories, how he was with a crew of mulignans in London, how he was tight with the Bulgarians that ran all the doors in the city, how he'd been a bodyguard when he was in the army. I didn't give a fuck. All bullshit as far as anyone could tell. So anyway, this is maybe 2002, 2002 and I start buying up the DVD boxsets when they come out. You remember them? You kids these days got know idea how it was back then. I was sick of listening to this motherfucker so I lend the cunt the season 1 box set. Mistake.
Thing is the stoonad really, and I mean really started to identify with it. First of all it was Livia. I mean the asshole was not wrong- his own mother, my mother-in-law, yeah, she was a Livia. God rest her soul she's gone now and there isn't a day I'm not thankful.
Then he watched the episode where Chris and Brendan jack the truck, and fuck me if he doesn't start telling me the very next week how him and his crew jacked a truckload of watches or some shit over the weekend. I just looked at him straight-faced while he tells me THE FUCKING EPISODE but with him as main character. He doesn't bat a fucking eylid, I think, this cunt is deranged, he's fucking loonytunes. I get the impression that while he's telling it, he's really believing it.
Anyway he goes from bad to worse but I'll get onto that.
But now my fucking fawtha-in-law. I mean this guy is a piece of work too. At times he's not around much in those days, as he can't spend all that much time around Livia before he fucks off to Florida, I mean Malaga, or the islands where he's got like two whole other families. This guy made a fuckton of money in the 80s and 90s somehow- I mean, he had legitimate businesses but there was some connected stuff going on too. They ran clubs and parties, and had close friends who did too, and there was even a couple of things about helping out some pretty high up people with looking after associates and stuff at critical moments. Colombians and Gallicians (they are up on the far north west coast and in those days they were bringing it all in that way).
In 2000 and whatever when I get there, he's past that for the most part, though he still was doing a bit of beach lookout stuff down south and hanging out with some questionable characters for a while. He's the type you know, he can be funny and charming and entertaining, but by and large he's just a fucking toxic narcissist. Used to be a tough guy, but to be honest in Spain they are more about talking about violence than actually doing it. Anyway, muthafucka pointed a gun at me twice, threatened to kill me one time. By this time my wife and I had built a house on the family compound, so after that he had to go away as far as I was concerned. Where I come from you make a threat you gotta be prepared to go through with or face the consequences as if you were gonna. Spanish people talk to much but I'm form where I'm from. So he was gone again, for a few years, till his goomars or whatever the fuck you wanna call them got sick of him and he put the feelers out to be able to come back. I gotta say, the family worked on me and I gave him a pass. We got drunk and high together a coupla tree times and worked it out, for a few years anyways.
So to the fucking brother-in-law. He gives me a ride one time in this car. Cracks open a hiddenc compartment he's got under the glove box, pulls out a pistol. Now this isn't the USA, where that shit is normal. Who knows, maybe it was fake. He's still living in some shithole apartment and from what I can tell conning women into paying for his lifestyle. Who the fuck knows it's all bullshit anyway, but things are obviously moving along for him. One time some friends visit for the weekend and he's around. They need to go to the airport in the morning and he says he going that way and can take them. I warn them they'll be better off taking the train but they go with him anyway. He shows up in full military uniform. Now this asshole did legitmiamtely spend a coulple of years in the military, but he shows up dressed as a major or a general or some shit. In the car on the way my friends are terrified as he drives at about 120mph all the way, weaving in and out of traffic, and all the time he never shuts up. Guy speaks ok English. He tells them how he's in the special forces, and he's getting a helicopter to Afghanistan to do some top secret shit, then coming back the same day. Some fucking helicopter. Turns out he's actually running some con on some poor woman in airport security.
Another time my brother comes over, he's only like 18 or something. Felipe (my b-i-l) invites him out clubbing. He's clearly at least a little connected as they waltz into every club straight past the line and sit in the VIP area drinking rum and cokes and doing lines.
Another time another brother of mine is over (there's a few of us, my dad was Irish and he put it about). Felipe shows up ready for a night out, dressed in black suit, black shirt and some fucking blood red shiny tie, shiny shoes and all. Now me and my brother have had a drink or two, smoked a couple joints already (we went out a nearly got in a fight with some lesbians later that night) and anyway he's a bit of a roughneck fucker. Spent a couple years in the can too, later on. My brother-in-law is trying to be funny, I'm ignoring him, he makes some racist joke which my brother isn't into so he looks him in the eye and asks 'why the fuck you dressed like an extra from a gangster movie?' Fucking stoonad soon leaves.
Another time he's like come up to my apartment, and he pulls out a big bag of coke and offers it to me. We do a couple lines, it's junk, no good shit like it always is here and I'm about over that stuff by now anyway, but I spent a while in Colombia and I can hold my own. He tells me he has it because someone owed him money and they gave him it in lieu after having to threaten the guy, so I think huh ok you talk a good game motherfucker let's see what you do. I think my wife is away with the baby at her sister's at this point maybe, at least that's how I wanna remember it. Anyway this shit is cut to fuck and not that strong so I think I'm gonna make the biggest fucking lines and see if we can do all of it and see if he makes a fuss. He makes a noise a couple times but doesn't try and stop me.
At this point I pretty much think it's all just basically cosplay. But then shit gets real. We get a call that he's arrested, locked up. And it's not just some bullshit either. The guy played the lead role in a stick up, dressed as police. The story goes the person they were sticking up was also connected, but I don't know. Anyway he gets caught and the rest of the crew don't, and he spends like three years in jail. His girlfriend comes over night of, telling me all kinds of tall tales, asking me to go with her to his apartment to pick up some shit the next day cos she's afraid to go on her own. My wife's away at this point down at the house by the shore with the kids, and I think about trying something but think nah fuck it, it'll be more hassle than it's worth.
When he comes out, I think he knows he aint got the stones for the carcelary experience really. The one time I go visit him he's got a black eye. Slipped in the shower, he says. I give him Goodfellas, Scarface and The French Connection to watch in there. When he comes out he sets up in the building trade, which is a pretty good way to rip people off if you know how. This goes on for years, he even manages to rip me off at one point but I stiff him on some of what he wants from me so I guess it works out even.
So it's years later. I'm just a working joe basically. We are still on the family compound. The father-in-law is there too, but in another building a little ways away, and my sister in law is also there. We've built a granny flat for Livia, but she doesn't get much time to enjoy it. We're away at the beach and we get the call that my other brother in law has found her floating in the pool. A stroke. Unsurprising really with the way she enjoyed a daily mix of uppers and downers.
Motherfucking Felipe tries to shake us down straightaway. The property was in Livia's sole name, for various legal reasons and her dying really made the shit hit the fan. We tell him fuck you. This is like 4 years ago now, maybe 5.
Since then motherfucker has snitched on the property for whatever the fuck- nothing here was ever exactly legit and up to code, but there's usually ways around stuff unless some motherfucker meddles. Has tried to, pretended to be going to run us down with his car. Has made sundry threats and calumnies to anyone willing to listen.
So one night he shows up when we are celebrating something or other round a fire out by the woods. He gets into an argument with my wife and says some things he shouldn't, so I get up in his face and tell him to watch his mouth. He pushes me, like a fucking playground fight, and bad luck I fall back over the picnic table we got set up there. I get up an my wife and fucking daughter, who's like 18 by now are up in his face and he starts pushing them so I punch him in the face. Not a good shot, I'd been drinking 18 year old scotch all night. Mayhem, other guys there separate all of us but he keeps on screaming and raging. One point I pick up an empty vodka bottle but I don't do nothing with it. People manage to push him away, get him to his car but he keep screaming how he's gonna kill me, one time he'll find me on my own down the track (we've got more than a mile of rough country road to get to the compound). The highlight is I'm gonna get put in the trunk, he's had people in the trunk of his car for less. Oh and various slurs, anti-Northern European discrimination I call it.
This is all a couple years ago. Like I said I've got a few brothers. A couple of them we've always said anything heavy needs doing we'll be there for one another. Like I said, one of them did a couple years in the can, another was in the forces for a while, been under fire, shot a couple or tree bad guys in his time.
But I aint done shit, and he aint done shit neither. I sometimes think if I'd a realised the true point of the show that I'd'a run a mile way back when. Or if at least I hadn't lent the motherfucker my box set, things might coulda gone another way.
Fuck it, it's all a big nothing anyways.
2023.06.06 12:32 boutell New US CCS chargers report for May 2023
Here are all of the new US CCS (Level 3 fast-charging) stations that rolled out in May 2023, according to the Department of Energy. These chargers are suitable for most new EVs on the market, except for:
There were 222 CCS charge points added or refreshed in May 2023, which is up from 171 in April. For comparison, there were only 74 new CCS charge points in May 2022. Things are speeding up.
"What about CCS charging at Tesla superchargers?" Tesla is in the process of rolling out their "magic dock" for non-Tesla cars, but so far in very few locations. If they start doing this at scale and reporting it to the Alternative Fuels Data Center then it will be reflected here.
"What about Ford vehicles with NACS (Tesla) plugs?" They are not on sale yet. Current-generation Ford vehicles have CCS plugs. The next generation will have NACS (Tesla) plugs, but will also support CCS via an adapter.
If you'd like to know about new chargers along your routes right away, or just prefer not to check this list monthly when new openings are rare in your area, I've set up a free service that provides email notifications as soon as they open. You can sign up at evpov.com. Or not! I don't really have a business plan here, I built it to help EV owners like myself.
To streamline this post, multi-chargepoint locations are listed with the number of chargepoints first, so that's why the post is shorter than in previous months.
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- Tesla drivers who haven't bought the official CCS adapter yet. Certain older Teslas need additional work done to accept the adapter.
- Leaf owners like me, and some owners of older cars that also use CHAdeMO. If you drive a Leaf, or an older CHAdeMO car, see my matching post in leaf.
There were 222 CCS charge points added or refreshed in May 2023, which is up from 171 in April. For comparison, there were only 74 new CCS charge points in May 2022. Things are speeding up.
"What about CCS charging at Tesla superchargers?" Tesla is in the process of rolling out their "magic dock" for non-Tesla cars, but so far in very few locations. If they start doing this at scale and reporting it to the Alternative Fuels Data Center then it will be reflected here.
"What about Ford vehicles with NACS (Tesla) plugs?" They are not on sale yet. Current-generation Ford vehicles have CCS plugs. The next generation will have NACS (Tesla) plugs, but will also support CCS via an adapter.
If you'd like to know about new chargers along your routes right away, or just prefer not to check this list monthly when new openings are rare in your area, I've set up a free service that provides email notifications as soon as they open. You can sign up at evpov.com. Or not! I don't really have a business plan here, I built it to help EV owners like myself.
To streamline this post, multi-chargepoint locations are listed with the number of chargepoints first, so that's why the post is shorter than in previous months.
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Allen Christian Buick GMC Inc 724 W Business US Highway 60, Dexter, MO 63841 (1) Store 290 Joplin - 2101 S. 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2023.06.06 11:13 Djh1982 Douglas MacArthur Attempts to Explain[1 Timothy 2:13-15]: A Catholic’s Response
EDIT: Title👆should read “John MacArthur”👈not “Douglas”.
The passage in question reads:
“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”-1 Tim.2:13-15
One user asked:
”What can this possibly mean? Given that Paul has always been saying it(salvation) is through faith.”
A helpful user responded with an answer posited by John MacArthur. Mac, sensing that this passage was a threat to sola-fide(and rightfully so) springs into action and attributes the word “saved” to be referring to “salvation from a stigma” as opposed to it being about salvation from “sin” itself. Mac writes:
“Paul is not advocating that women are eternally saved from sin through childbearing or that they maintain their salvation by having babies, both of which would be clear contradictions of the NT teaching of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (Ro 3:19, 20) sustained forever (Ro 8:31–39). Paul is teaching that even though a woman bears the stigma of being the initial instrument who led the race into sin, it is women through childbearing who may be preserved or freed from that stigma by raising a generation of godly children (cf. 5:10).”
He concludes with:
“Paul is speaking in general terms; God does not want all women to be married (1Co 7:25–40), let alone bear children. if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. The godly appearance, demeanor, and behavior commanded of believing women in the church (vv. 9–12) is motivated by the promise of deliverance from any inferior status and the joy of raising godly children.”
So Mac chalks it up to being salvation “from a stigma” or “deliverance from an inferior status” and leaves it at that. Problem solved, right?
Wrong.
Mac’s answer has only succeeded in kicking the can further down the road, for we see it rear it’s ugly head yet again in Paul’s letter to the Romans:
(Romans 2:6-7)
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.”
Well now we have a real problem. How could doing “good works” result in salvation? You see quick-fixes about damaged reputations may be able to plug one hole but it can’t plug them all. We only see this statement by Paul being doubled-down upon by St.John:
(Revelation 22:12)
““Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.”
What can we do? We have already exhausted Mac’s “stigma” explanation so we may not return to that well. We must ask ourselves:
Is there ANOTHER way to understand Paul’s meaning in [1 Timothy 2:13-15]?
Yes, of course there is….and it’s the simplest thing in the world that the Catholic Church has been teaching for 2,000 years—we are NOT justified by our faith alone:
(James 2:24)
“As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
That is the answer. It’s the only one that can reconcile all of these passages.
“But wait!” you cry out in protest, “if man is not justified by his faith alone, doesn’t that mean man is being saved by his own works??! That’s heretical!”
Well, no—it doesn’t have to mean that. Hear me out. We can think of dividing “human works” into two distinct categories:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
When Paul writes that we are saved by faith “apart from works”—he was referring to the FIRST category of “works”, NOT the second one. He’s saying that nothing you can do “naturally” can result in your salvation. The second category, however, is the subject of the next verse[Ephesians 2:10], which says:
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Now let us return to 1 Timothy 2:13-15 and apply this understanding(which is Paul’s understanding). Essentially Paul is saying that God is going to redeem Eve and all women “in child bearing”, provided that this act is connected to the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity:
“Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing IF they continue in faith, love, and holiness,”
So that’s the caveat. You have to continue in those things: faith, love and holiness. Now what would CAUSE someone to do to such a thing? The same thing that causes us to do ANY good thing: the Holy Spirit. As Paul says in Philippians[2:13]
“for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”
That’s what makes these kinds of works “supernatural human works”. These belong to the SECOND category of works we just talked about[Ephesians 2:10]. If you do these “works” then you are not “saving yourself” since it is God who “causes” you to do them. Therefore this does not constitute “salvation by works” in the “strict context” of “natural human works” which was Paul’s meaning in Ephesians 2:8-9. These “good works” are supernatural and have God as their point of origin—it is these works which Paul goes on to say are profitable until justification:
(Romans 2:13)
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
We are being saved by grace, through faith apart from “natural man works” but not apart from “good works” themselves. And THAT is the conclusion that escaped MacArthur because he was too busy shoring up the error of Sola Fide.
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The passage in question reads:
“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”-1 Tim.2:13-15
One user asked:
”What can this possibly mean? Given that Paul has always been saying it(salvation) is through faith.”
A helpful user responded with an answer posited by John MacArthur. Mac, sensing that this passage was a threat to sola-fide(and rightfully so) springs into action and attributes the word “saved” to be referring to “salvation from a stigma” as opposed to it being about salvation from “sin” itself. Mac writes:
“Paul is not advocating that women are eternally saved from sin through childbearing or that they maintain their salvation by having babies, both of which would be clear contradictions of the NT teaching of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (Ro 3:19, 20) sustained forever (Ro 8:31–39). Paul is teaching that even though a woman bears the stigma of being the initial instrument who led the race into sin, it is women through childbearing who may be preserved or freed from that stigma by raising a generation of godly children (cf. 5:10).”
He concludes with:
“Paul is speaking in general terms; God does not want all women to be married (1Co 7:25–40), let alone bear children. if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. The godly appearance, demeanor, and behavior commanded of believing women in the church (vv. 9–12) is motivated by the promise of deliverance from any inferior status and the joy of raising godly children.”
So Mac chalks it up to being salvation “from a stigma” or “deliverance from an inferior status” and leaves it at that. Problem solved, right?
Wrong.
Mac’s answer has only succeeded in kicking the can further down the road, for we see it rear it’s ugly head yet again in Paul’s letter to the Romans:
(Romans 2:6-7)
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.”
Well now we have a real problem. How could doing “good works” result in salvation? You see quick-fixes about damaged reputations may be able to plug one hole but it can’t plug them all. We only see this statement by Paul being doubled-down upon by St.John:
(Revelation 22:12)
““Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.”
What can we do? We have already exhausted Mac’s “stigma” explanation so we may not return to that well. We must ask ourselves:
Is there ANOTHER way to understand Paul’s meaning in [1 Timothy 2:13-15]?
Yes, of course there is….and it’s the simplest thing in the world that the Catholic Church has been teaching for 2,000 years—we are NOT justified by our faith alone:
(James 2:24)
“As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
That is the answer. It’s the only one that can reconcile all of these passages.
“But wait!” you cry out in protest, “if man is not justified by his faith alone, doesn’t that mean man is being saved by his own works??! That’s heretical!”
Well, no—it doesn’t have to mean that. Hear me out. We can think of dividing “human works” into two distinct categories:
- Natural human works
- Supernatural human works
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
When Paul writes that we are saved by faith “apart from works”—he was referring to the FIRST category of “works”, NOT the second one. He’s saying that nothing you can do “naturally” can result in your salvation. The second category, however, is the subject of the next verse[Ephesians 2:10], which says:
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Now let us return to 1 Timothy 2:13-15 and apply this understanding(which is Paul’s understanding). Essentially Paul is saying that God is going to redeem Eve and all women “in child bearing”, provided that this act is connected to the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity:
“Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing IF they continue in faith, love, and holiness,”
So that’s the caveat. You have to continue in those things: faith, love and holiness. Now what would CAUSE someone to do to such a thing? The same thing that causes us to do ANY good thing: the Holy Spirit. As Paul says in Philippians[2:13]
“for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”
That’s what makes these kinds of works “supernatural human works”. These belong to the SECOND category of works we just talked about[Ephesians 2:10]. If you do these “works” then you are not “saving yourself” since it is God who “causes” you to do them. Therefore this does not constitute “salvation by works” in the “strict context” of “natural human works” which was Paul’s meaning in Ephesians 2:8-9. These “good works” are supernatural and have God as their point of origin—it is these works which Paul goes on to say are profitable until justification:
(Romans 2:13)
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
We are being saved by grace, through faith apart from “natural man works” but not apart from “good works” themselves. And THAT is the conclusion that escaped MacArthur because he was too busy shoring up the error of Sola Fide.
2023.06.06 11:13 Djh1982 Douglas MacArthur Attempts to Explain[1 Timothy 2:13-15]: A Catholic’s Response
EDIT: Title 👆should read ⭐️ John MacArthur⭐️ not “Douglas”.
The passage in question reads:
“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”-1 Tim.2:13-15
One user asked:
”What can this possibly mean? Given that Paul has always been saying it(salvation) is through faith.”
A helpful user responded with an answer posited by John MacArthur. Mac, sensing that this passage was a threat to sola-fide(and rightfully so) springs into action and attributes the word “saved” to be referring to “salvation from a stigma” as opposed to it being about salvation from “sin” itself. Mac writes:
“Paul is not advocating that women are eternally saved from sin through childbearing or that they maintain their salvation by having babies, both of which would be clear contradictions of the NT teaching of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (Ro 3:19, 20) sustained forever (Ro 8:31–39). Paul is teaching that even though a woman bears the stigma of being the initial instrument who led the race into sin, it is women through childbearing who may be preserved or freed from that stigma by raising a generation of godly children (cf. 5:10).”
He concludes with:
“Paul is speaking in general terms; God does not want all women to be married (1Co 7:25–40), let alone bear children. if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. The godly appearance, demeanor, and behavior commanded of believing women in the church (vv. 9–12) is motivated by the promise of deliverance from any inferior status and the joy of raising godly children.”
So Mac chalks it up to being salvation “from a stigma” or “deliverance from an inferior status” and leaves it at that. Problem solved, right?
Wrong.
Mac’s answer has only succeeded in kicking the can further down the road, for we see it rear it’s ugly head yet again in Paul’s letter to the Romans:
(Romans 2:6-7)
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.”
Well now we have a real problem. How could doing “good works” result in salvation? You see quick-fixes about damaged reputations may be able to plug one hole but it can’t plug them all. We only see this statement by Paul being doubled-down upon by St.John:
(Revelation 22:12)
““Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.”
What can we do? We have already exhausted Mac’s “stigma” explanation so we may not return to that well. We must ask ourselves:
Is there ANOTHER way to understand Paul’s meaning in [1 Timothy 2:13-15]?
Yes, of course there is….and it’s the simplest thing in the world that the Catholic Church has been teaching for 2,000 years—we are NOT justified by our faith alone:
(James 2:24)
“As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
That is the answer. It’s the only one that can reconcile all of these passages.
”But wait!” you cry out in protest, ”if man is not justified by his faith alone, doesn’t that mean man is being saved by his own works??! That’s heretical!”
Well, no—it doesn’t have to mean that. Hear me out. We can think of dividing “human works” into two distinct categories:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
When Paul writes that we are saved by faith “apart from works”—he was referring to the FIRST category of “works”, NOT the second one. He’s saying that nothing you can do “naturally” can result in your salvation. The second category, however, is the subject of the next verse[Ephesians 2:10], which says:
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Now let us return to 1 Timothy 2:13-15 and apply this understanding(which is Paul’s understanding). Essentially Paul is saying that God is going to redeem Eve and all women “in child bearing”, provided that this act is connected to the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity:
“Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing IF they continue in faith, love, and holiness,”
So that’s the caveat. You have to continue in those things: faith, love and holiness. Now what would CAUSE someone to do to such a thing? The same thing that causes us to do ANY good thing: the Holy Spirit. As Paul says in Philippians[2:13]:
“for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”
That’s what makes these kinds of works “supernatural human works”. These belong to the SECOND category of works we just talked about[Ephesians 2:10]. If you do these “works” then you are not “saving yourself” since it is God who “causes” you to do them. Therefore this does not constitute “salvation by works” in the “strict context” of “natural human works” which was Paul’s meaning in Ephesians 2:8-9. These “good works” are supernatural and have God as their point of origin—it is these works which Paul goes on to say are profitable until justification:
(Romans 2:13)
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
We are being saved by grace, through faith apart from “natural man works” but not apart from “good works” themselves since these good works can directly result IN JUSTIFICATION. And THAT is the conclusion that escaped MacArthur because he was too busy shoring up the error of Sola Fide.
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The passage in question reads:
“For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.”-1 Tim.2:13-15
One user asked:
”What can this possibly mean? Given that Paul has always been saying it(salvation) is through faith.”
A helpful user responded with an answer posited by John MacArthur. Mac, sensing that this passage was a threat to sola-fide(and rightfully so) springs into action and attributes the word “saved” to be referring to “salvation from a stigma” as opposed to it being about salvation from “sin” itself. Mac writes:
“Paul is not advocating that women are eternally saved from sin through childbearing or that they maintain their salvation by having babies, both of which would be clear contradictions of the NT teaching of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (Ro 3:19, 20) sustained forever (Ro 8:31–39). Paul is teaching that even though a woman bears the stigma of being the initial instrument who led the race into sin, it is women through childbearing who may be preserved or freed from that stigma by raising a generation of godly children (cf. 5:10).”
He concludes with:
“Paul is speaking in general terms; God does not want all women to be married (1Co 7:25–40), let alone bear children. if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. The godly appearance, demeanor, and behavior commanded of believing women in the church (vv. 9–12) is motivated by the promise of deliverance from any inferior status and the joy of raising godly children.”
So Mac chalks it up to being salvation “from a stigma” or “deliverance from an inferior status” and leaves it at that. Problem solved, right?
Wrong.
Mac’s answer has only succeeded in kicking the can further down the road, for we see it rear it’s ugly head yet again in Paul’s letter to the Romans:
(Romans 2:6-7)
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.”
Well now we have a real problem. How could doing “good works” result in salvation? You see quick-fixes about damaged reputations may be able to plug one hole but it can’t plug them all. We only see this statement by Paul being doubled-down upon by St.John:
(Revelation 22:12)
““Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.”
What can we do? We have already exhausted Mac’s “stigma” explanation so we may not return to that well. We must ask ourselves:
Is there ANOTHER way to understand Paul’s meaning in [1 Timothy 2:13-15]?
Yes, of course there is….and it’s the simplest thing in the world that the Catholic Church has been teaching for 2,000 years—we are NOT justified by our faith alone:
(James 2:24)
“As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.”
That is the answer. It’s the only one that can reconcile all of these passages.
”But wait!” you cry out in protest, ”if man is not justified by his faith alone, doesn’t that mean man is being saved by his own works??! That’s heretical!”
Well, no—it doesn’t have to mean that. Hear me out. We can think of dividing “human works” into two distinct categories:
- Natural human works
- Supernatural human works
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
When Paul writes that we are saved by faith “apart from works”—he was referring to the FIRST category of “works”, NOT the second one. He’s saying that nothing you can do “naturally” can result in your salvation. The second category, however, is the subject of the next verse[Ephesians 2:10], which says:
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Now let us return to 1 Timothy 2:13-15 and apply this understanding(which is Paul’s understanding). Essentially Paul is saying that God is going to redeem Eve and all women “in child bearing”, provided that this act is connected to the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity:
“Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing IF they continue in faith, love, and holiness,”
So that’s the caveat. You have to continue in those things: faith, love and holiness. Now what would CAUSE someone to do to such a thing? The same thing that causes us to do ANY good thing: the Holy Spirit. As Paul says in Philippians[2:13]:
“for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”
That’s what makes these kinds of works “supernatural human works”. These belong to the SECOND category of works we just talked about[Ephesians 2:10]. If you do these “works” then you are not “saving yourself” since it is God who “causes” you to do them. Therefore this does not constitute “salvation by works” in the “strict context” of “natural human works” which was Paul’s meaning in Ephesians 2:8-9. These “good works” are supernatural and have God as their point of origin—it is these works which Paul goes on to say are profitable until justification:
(Romans 2:13)
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
We are being saved by grace, through faith apart from “natural man works” but not apart from “good works” themselves since these good works can directly result IN JUSTIFICATION. And THAT is the conclusion that escaped MacArthur because he was too busy shoring up the error of Sola Fide.
2023.06.06 06:13 MountainBuffalo17 Race Report: Steamboat Marathon - when everything goes right
Race Information
- Name: Steamboat Marathon
- Date: June 4, 2023
- Distance: 26.2 miles
- Location: Steamboat Springs, CO
- Website: https://www.steamboatchamber.com/events/annual-events/steamboat-marathon/
- Time: 3:55:50
Goals
| Goal | Description | Completed? |
|---|---|---|
| A | No Injuries | Yes |
| B | PR (4:06) | Yes |
| C | 4:00 | Yes |
Splits
| Mile | Time |
|---|---|
| 1 | 8:58 |
| 2 | 8:52 |
| 3 | 9:37 |
| 4 | 9:08 |
| 5 | 8:33 |
| 6 | 8:38 |
| 7 | 8:57 |
| 8 | 8:55 |
| 9 | 8:51 |
| 10 | 8:57 |
| 11 | 8:55 |
| 12 | 8:59 |
| 13 | 8:58 |
| 14 | 9:24 |
| 15 | 8:59 |
| 16 | 8:59 |
| 17 | 8:53 |
| 18 | 9:09 |
| 19 | 9:00 |
| 20 | 8:42 |
| 21 | 9:10 |
| 22 | 8:58 |
| 23 | 9:08 |
| 24 | 8:28 |
| 25 | 8:42 |
| 26 | 8:54 |
| 27 | 2:51 |
Training
The story behind this race really starts a year ago. I ran the Colfax Marathon in Downton Denver, and fell short of the 4-hour goal. Many things went wrong, between injuring myself with some nasty tendonitis around my shin 2 weeks pre-race, a poor fueling/hydration plan, and my fitness not quite being where I thought. I crashed hard at mile 20 at Colfax, and watched the 4 hours slip away slowly walking up the hill on 17th St. That had been my first road marathon (I've ran the Pikes Peak Marathon, but the strategy and approach to that race is wildly different), and I learned a lot to prepare for redemption in 2023.The ultimate goal this year is to run my first ultramarathon, a 55k in the mountains of Colorado in July. In planning my training, I decided to use a road marathon as a tune-up and fitness check-in for the month of June. I did some searching for good Springs marathons close to home (Front Range), vowing not to repeat Colfax, and was quickly entranced by the beauty advertised by the Steamboat Marathon. Since Steamboat Springs is one of my favorite Colorado locations, it was an easy sell! It fit the bill, so I booked the hotel, signed up, and got to work training. Since this is a tune-up race for the ultra, the principle goal was to survive a marathon training block injury-free.
I used the TrainAsOne app for training - and have mixed feelings about it. I found it consistently under-loaded my weekly milage vs what I expected from other plans; so I took a lot of liberty in extending the long runs to hit the milage I wanted. Aside from being a bit short on volume though, I think the plan did an excellent job of planning tempo, interval, and threshold runs. I was challenged, and found the balance of workout types well structured. I plan to keep using the app, but will happily extend the volume if I'm not happy with it.
As smooth as training went for the most part, I did start getting some calf pain about a month before the race. Off to PT I went, worried for the worst, to be diagnosed with only a minor calf strain. Lots of calf raises, some dry needling, and continuing to run healed the problem swiftly, and I didn't miss a beat. Training goal accomplished....but not without a good scare! A smooth taper brought my confidently into race weekend.
Pre-race
My wife and I drove up the day before on Saturday, June 3 and checked into the Nordic Lodge. I can't recommend this lodge enough for runners; it was easy walking distance from the pick-up point and finish line, they let us check-in early since the room was ready, and let us check out late so I had time to shower after the race before the 3 hour drive home. The day before, I didn't run, but enjoyed a 2 mile walk around the town, and loaded up on carbs at Mazzola's, the local Italian restaurant. As usual, I slept terribly before the race; there's something about the pre-race jitters that makes sleeping impossible, between the performance anxiety and the terror of missing the morning alarm.The hydration plan was pretty simple: Carry 1L of water with my vest (practice for the ultra-run), which works out even better since aid stations are ~3 miles apart on this race. I took water and gatorade at every aid station, and sipped on my 1L as needed. I had just about finished it by the finish line. For fuel, I took in 1 honey stinger waffle every 10k. Those waffles are like candy for me, and I swear I can feel the immediate kick from taking one in.
Race morning was tremendously smooth; props to Steamboat for putting on a smooth race! The weather was a runner's dream; ~45 and cloudy at the start. It was a 5 minute walk to the bus pickup point, where marathoners were picked up and driven 26.2 miles to the start line. Anytime you're bussed to the other end of a point-to-point race, it really hits home just how far a marathon is! We were dropped off around 6:45 for the 7:30 start, and had some time to warm up, use the porta-pot(twice), and line-up. The start is nestled in a quaint historic mining village up at 8,200 ft. Given my home at 5500 and training on trails frequently, I wasn't concerned about the altitude. I didn't really feel major nerves for the race until about 5 minutes before the start, when the race called everyone to lineup.
Race
Miles 1-6: The first miles always fly by. Lesson from Colfax: Do NOT start faster to try and bank time. Terrible idea. This time around, I started intentionally slower than I felt I could, taking the rolling hills at the start of the race at a modest 9 minute pace. Once the downhill opened up at mile 5, I let myself go a bit faster, very carefully managing the heart rate. The start of the course is easily the most beautiful, with big gorgeous mountains on both sides and Colorado's best Spring in years on full display. The race field was around 300, which is a wonderful sweet spot for a race to feel populated but never crowded. No corrals at the start, but at the cost of dramatically fewer spectators. The course feels tremendously rural, but that only adds to the beauty and charm! At mile 6, I improvised and took a gel pack from the aid station in addition to the 10k honey stinger to stay ahead of fueling, and it worked out great.Miles 7-13: This part of the race is steadily downhill, but I wanted to keep managing the pace. I settled in and chatted with a few other racers, distracting my mind from the downhill quad-pounding. At the halfway point, we hit the half-marathon start line, and the season was literally changing as we lost elevation, from trees that were just beginning to bloom to rolling meadows of brilliant purple flowers. The race had a fantastic team of cyclists to provide both encouragement and safety to the course and they really made a difference.
Miles 13-20: More steady downhill, and this is where the long miles really start to pile up. What mile am I on? 17, or 18? My heart rate through these miles was bouncing around the 140's, and that was my first clue that this race would be very different than Colfax. Everything was going right; I felt like I was keeping a foot on the brake at all times going down this endless hill and was actually looking forward to the infamous 3 mile climb. This was a lonelier stretch, and the views closed in as we hit the course bottom in a small canyon with a raging creek.
Miles 20-26: Here it is; the thing everyone seems to talk about with this race: the 3 mile climb. The course profile starting with some rollers, plunges down in miles 5 and 6, casually keeps going down from 7 thru 20, and then slowly but surely rises nearly 200 feet in 3 miles towards town. And I somehow crushed it! I guess all that training in my hilly neighborhood and on the trails in the foothills really paid off. I had little trouble maintaining my 9 minute pace, felt empowered from the 30k honey stinger, and invigorated by the increasing spectator support as we drew close to town. Miles 24 and 25 were my least favorite of the course; too much traffic on the road, and not quite close enough to the end. I had the energy still to step on the gas and power through these annoying miles. The final turn onto Lincoln Avenue is a huge relief, as the last half mile offers a continuous view of the finish! While I may not have had energy for a sprint to the finish, I still felt strong at my target pace. Words cannot capture the feeling of not just surviving, but thriving in a marathon! I survived the onslaught in Colfax, but I thrived in Steamboat. I passed my dad, wife, and dogs as I passed Mile 26 with nothing but smiles as I rolled into the finish!
Post-race
Another lesson from Colfax: STRETCH. WALK. Do these things after a race and stave off a lot of soreness. I took 15 minutes to stretch it out, and grabbed my free beer and burrito. Neither sounded even the least bit appetizing, so right into the cooler they went for Monday. Are there people out there who can pound down a beer and breakfast burrito after a marathon??? I had to somewhat hustle back to the hotel for a shower to fit the late checkout time cutoff (12:30), but was still comfortable since I finished before 11:30. We walked another mile or two around town, and then the 1/4 mile hike to Fish Creek Falls, and settled in for the ride home.Everything went right this race. As I write this on Monday, making it a priority to walk another couple miles around home today, my body feels fantastic and ready to jump back into training after an easy week. It's hard to tackle a first marathon; there's a lot of lessons to be learned that can't be learned until you've tried it. Miles 20-26 are simply a different animal from the first 20. To those who learn from those lessons, the second marathon is an entire world of difference. For me, that was smarter training to avoid injury, proper fueling and hydration, and a whole lot of stretching!
Maybe next year I'll do the Colorado Marathon to continue working through my local marathons and see what is possible for a third marathon! Thanks for reading!
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2023.06.06 03:46 amoeba953 Rating cities in my general region
New Orleans, LA: 6/10
My birthplace. The city is teeming with culture and history that spans over 300 years. Most of the touristy parts of the city are pretty walkable, with added street cars. The French Quarter is full of tourists, but fun, and Uptown, and the Marigny is more laid back, truly something for everyone. The food is amazing and having Mardi Gras off is always a bonus. On the flip side, the crime. It’s never been good but since 2020 it’s been really fucking bad. Carjackings and homicide make the nightly news every day. The streets are also always buckled or full of potholes on account of the city being below sea level. Also the city sits in one of the most hurricane vulnerable areas in existence. Katrina displaced us for a year, and every time we’re in the cone for a storm, everyone that remembers Katrina has PTSD flashbacks.
Gulfport/Biloxi, MS: 7.5/10
This is the closest metro area to New Orleans on the gulf. A lot of people from NOLA have beach houses here, especially in Bay St. Louis and Pass Christian. It’s much more laid back than NOLA and everything here revolves around the water: Fishing, boating, sailing, seafood, etc. Biloxi also has the most casinos between Vegas and Atlantic City. Mardi Gras is a thing here too. The beaches on the mainland are alright, (free, parking everywhere). The water is kinda murky, but there are undeveloped barrier islands 10-ish miles offshore that you can get to by ferry or private boat (which most people here have) and the water there rivals Florida’s. Hurricanes are a problem here too. Katrina absolutely fucked this area up, like worse than New Orleans.
Mobile, AL: 4.5/10
Where I go to college. The city is a big port destination. The downtown area is reminiscent of New Orleans but not nearly as cool. They claim to be home to the oldest Mardi Gras Parade, but it’s much more low budget and less fun than NOLA’s. Local cuisine is good. Crime is pretty bad but could be worse. Outside of the downtown core is basic American suburban hell. Terrible traffic, 6 lane roads lined with strip malls, fast food, and storage facilities. The city is not walkable whatsoever. I got hit on my bike here. Pretty good beaches are an hour away in Gulf Shores with a shit ton of touristy things to do.
Jackson, MS 2/10
This city is basically the Detroit of the South. It’s basically New Orleans if you took everything away except crime and rap music. There’s nothing to do here. The city is economically crippled bc all the white flight gravitated investment to the suburbs, which are a world difference from the city itself. You always play Russian roulette when showering, washing dishes, or drinking tap water bc you never know if it’s contaminated. From 2010 to 2020 the city shrunk more than anywhere else in America with a population over 100k. Nothing redeemable about Jackson.
Atlanta, GA: 5/10
I don’t personally like Atlanta as a sports city that much being a Saints fan an everything, but there’s a shit ton of things to do here. Six flags, aquarium, coke world, Stone Mountain, sports games, you name it. The city does not deserve to be called southern though. Nothing about this city is southern. It’s full of northern liberals that know nothing about Georgia outside of their little bubble. There’s also some pretty rough ghettos on the south side of town too. Traffic is abysmal at best, and stuck for days in the snow on the interstate at the worst. It takes 2 hours to cross the city. Atlanta is close to the mountains though, which is pretty nice.
Nashville, TN: 7/10
I haven’t been to Nashville in a while but I can’t remember a bad trip any time I’ve visited. The downtown is pretty hip. If you like country music, this is Mecca for you. The Cumberland River runs right through the heart of the city, which I’ve rowed with my crew team. Nissan Stadium, where the Titans play, is right across the river from Broadway and is connected by a pedestrian bridge. Outside of the city there’s a lot of lakes and low mountains to explore, but it’s being ever encroached by suburban sprawl.
Baton Rouge, LA: 4/10
I lived in BTR for a year after Katrina. The only things to do here revolve around LSU. No disrespect to LSU tho, games in Tiger Stadium are electric. Joe Burrow is basically Jesus here. There’s a crime problem here but not the same level as NOLA. There’s also a lot of chemical plants around, being on the Mississippi River and all. Traffic is really fucking bad since there’s only one bridge crossing the river so it all gets bottlenecked at rush hour. The city is 90 minutes from NOLA if you get too bored, which you will eventually.
I might do more cities outside of the south, idk yet.
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My birthplace. The city is teeming with culture and history that spans over 300 years. Most of the touristy parts of the city are pretty walkable, with added street cars. The French Quarter is full of tourists, but fun, and Uptown, and the Marigny is more laid back, truly something for everyone. The food is amazing and having Mardi Gras off is always a bonus. On the flip side, the crime. It’s never been good but since 2020 it’s been really fucking bad. Carjackings and homicide make the nightly news every day. The streets are also always buckled or full of potholes on account of the city being below sea level. Also the city sits in one of the most hurricane vulnerable areas in existence. Katrina displaced us for a year, and every time we’re in the cone for a storm, everyone that remembers Katrina has PTSD flashbacks.
Gulfport/Biloxi, MS: 7.5/10
This is the closest metro area to New Orleans on the gulf. A lot of people from NOLA have beach houses here, especially in Bay St. Louis and Pass Christian. It’s much more laid back than NOLA and everything here revolves around the water: Fishing, boating, sailing, seafood, etc. Biloxi also has the most casinos between Vegas and Atlantic City. Mardi Gras is a thing here too. The beaches on the mainland are alright, (free, parking everywhere). The water is kinda murky, but there are undeveloped barrier islands 10-ish miles offshore that you can get to by ferry or private boat (which most people here have) and the water there rivals Florida’s. Hurricanes are a problem here too. Katrina absolutely fucked this area up, like worse than New Orleans.
Mobile, AL: 4.5/10
Where I go to college. The city is a big port destination. The downtown area is reminiscent of New Orleans but not nearly as cool. They claim to be home to the oldest Mardi Gras Parade, but it’s much more low budget and less fun than NOLA’s. Local cuisine is good. Crime is pretty bad but could be worse. Outside of the downtown core is basic American suburban hell. Terrible traffic, 6 lane roads lined with strip malls, fast food, and storage facilities. The city is not walkable whatsoever. I got hit on my bike here. Pretty good beaches are an hour away in Gulf Shores with a shit ton of touristy things to do.
Jackson, MS 2/10
This city is basically the Detroit of the South. It’s basically New Orleans if you took everything away except crime and rap music. There’s nothing to do here. The city is economically crippled bc all the white flight gravitated investment to the suburbs, which are a world difference from the city itself. You always play Russian roulette when showering, washing dishes, or drinking tap water bc you never know if it’s contaminated. From 2010 to 2020 the city shrunk more than anywhere else in America with a population over 100k. Nothing redeemable about Jackson.
Atlanta, GA: 5/10
I don’t personally like Atlanta as a sports city that much being a Saints fan an everything, but there’s a shit ton of things to do here. Six flags, aquarium, coke world, Stone Mountain, sports games, you name it. The city does not deserve to be called southern though. Nothing about this city is southern. It’s full of northern liberals that know nothing about Georgia outside of their little bubble. There’s also some pretty rough ghettos on the south side of town too. Traffic is abysmal at best, and stuck for days in the snow on the interstate at the worst. It takes 2 hours to cross the city. Atlanta is close to the mountains though, which is pretty nice.
Nashville, TN: 7/10
I haven’t been to Nashville in a while but I can’t remember a bad trip any time I’ve visited. The downtown is pretty hip. If you like country music, this is Mecca for you. The Cumberland River runs right through the heart of the city, which I’ve rowed with my crew team. Nissan Stadium, where the Titans play, is right across the river from Broadway and is connected by a pedestrian bridge. Outside of the city there’s a lot of lakes and low mountains to explore, but it’s being ever encroached by suburban sprawl.
Baton Rouge, LA: 4/10
I lived in BTR for a year after Katrina. The only things to do here revolve around LSU. No disrespect to LSU tho, games in Tiger Stadium are electric. Joe Burrow is basically Jesus here. There’s a crime problem here but not the same level as NOLA. There’s also a lot of chemical plants around, being on the Mississippi River and all. Traffic is really fucking bad since there’s only one bridge crossing the river so it all gets bottlenecked at rush hour. The city is 90 minutes from NOLA if you get too bored, which you will eventually.
I might do more cities outside of the south, idk yet.
2023.06.06 03:09 sullycantwell Augie Maniaci cooperating notes
August Maniaci Link: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95092#relPageId=11&search=caminiti_rockford)
History of the Milwaukee Outfit
-Al Capone was a camorrista and an associate of Masseria and Capone had a large scale gambling and bootlegging operation
-Joe Aiello would gamble at Capone's places, but when he would lose, he would have the gambling operation raided and Aiello's men would take much more money than was lost
-Capone was paying protection to Masseria
-A dispute arose between Masseria and Aiello and Masseria than brought Capone in and made him a capodecina and told Capone to kill Aiello
-In 1926 or 1927, there was a "Appalachian type meeting" (Generale assemblea?) in Pewaukee, Wisconsin. The meetings purpose was to make peace in Chicago, but other families attended
-Tough Tony Capesio was one of the shooters in the St. Valentine's day massacre
-Jack Zutta, a Jewish Aiello associate, was murdered by Capone's gang
-The Milwaukee mafia banned people from helping Aiello.
-Sam Aiello, Joe Caminiti, and Migele Mineo were former Aiello members who fled Chicago to join the Milwaukee family
-Sam Aiello wasn't sympathetic about his brother. Sam returned to Chicago later and was in Jim DiGeorge's crew
-Carl Caputa left Chicago and went to Madison where he became boss. Joe "Joe Pizza Pie" Aiello (unspecified relation to the Joe Capone wared with) went with Caputa to Madison
-Milwaukee didn't try to extort any gamblers until Sam Ferrara
-Al Capone was Neopolitan, the next boss was Tony Accardo who was "Thelast Sicilian to be an important boss," Accardo was succeeded by a Neopolotan Sam Giancana (Pretty sure this info is wrong)
-Chicago outfit was a "Money grabbing operation" where only a few leaders profit "at the expense of the general membership" this had an effect on Milwaukee
-Chicago took over Milwaukee in 1952
-Sam Ferrara wanted to have a piece of the Ogden social club which was a gambling place that Frank Balistrieri had a piece on and Balistieri was Son-In-Law to John Alioto. Balistrieri said no to Ferrara and then Ferrara shelved Balistrieri. Milwaukee then asked Chicago to help them with all the trouble.
-A general meeting was held in 1952; Tony Accardo, Rocco Fischetti, and Sam Giancana attended. Sam Ferrara was taken down as boss and replaced by John Alioto
-Alioto reinstated Balistrieri and made him a capodecina
-While Alioto was boss, no gamblers or businessmen were extorted
-John DiTrapani was a capodecina who didn't like Alioto, so he said he would spend $90,000 and even was willing to finance some murders
-One of DiTrapani's friends "Pasternak" lost a lot of money gambling with the outfit and DiTrapani made it known he was very upset
-Furthermore, Alioto heard about Ditrapani's plans to become boss and this sealed DiTrapani's fate
-Chicago were the ones who ordered DiTrapani's murder, not Alioto
-DiTrapani and Frank LaGalbo (a member and DiTrapani associate) were called to a meeting by the Chicago outfit. The meeting was going to be in Milwaukee though.
-LaGalbo warned DiTrapani not to go. LaGabo himself wasn't going to go.
-DiTrapani went anyway and on March 16, 1954 he was murdered. the following day he was found shot in his car
-LaGalbo was very well connected to Chicago and he set up a transfer where he would be in the Chicago family in the decina of Frank LaPorte
-LaPorte was centered in Chicago Heights
-Jack Enea was also apart of the faction that wanted Alioto taken down as boss. he wasn't killed until November, 1954 (Chicago authorized it)
-In January of 1962, Joe Alioto retired and Frank P. Balistrieri took over, Alioto was upset about this. Alioto apparently felt it should've gone to an older man
-furthermore, Alioto was upset that Balistrieri had an affair with his wife's cousin
-Balistrieri began shaking down gamblers and businessmen
-Balistrieri was collecting $500-$600 from Bruno Ramazini and John Volpe who ran the Holiday House
-Despite not collecting from Frank and Jimmy Fazio who ran restaurants, there was an incident where a bomb went off. After this, Balistrieri went to Florida and when he came back he said that they had a piece of Jimmy Fazio's place in Fort Lauderdale
-Balistrieri was not liked by older members because he never consulted with anyone before making decisions and Maniaci even said it would not surprise him if Balistrieri was murdered. Maniaci said if anyone were to kill Balistrieri, it would be the outfit
II. Organization and Leadership -The 1957 Apalachin meeting was due to Albert Anastasia taking forcible action which affected other bosses without telling them.
-Anastasia was killed due to the disappearance of two unnamed men
-John Alioto and Frank Balistrieri were going to go to Apalachin but didnt at the last moment. Also, attendance was not mandatory at Apalachin
-Maniaci didn't know too much about the commission or its structure, but he said it had around 7 members and though he doesn't know if there is a "boss of bosses," if anyone was it would be Giancana (clearly shows his midwest bias)
-Giancana had control over Madison, Rockford, and Springfield
-Balistrieri went to Chicago periodically for meetings with Giancana, Battaglia, or capodecina Felix "Milwaukee Phil" Alderisio. These meeting were at the underboss Sam Battaglia's farm
-occassionally, Balistrieri would meet with Alderisio, Battaglia, and Marshal Caifano in a Milwaukee hotel
-Ralph Capone of Mercer, Wisconsin isn't connected with Milwaukee or Chicago
-At one point, the Pfister hotel manager Marvin Billet made a deal and Kansas City member Sebastian "Buster" Balestrere (who was "imported" to Milwaukee along with Joseph Gurera for the purpose of shaking bookmakers and businessmen down) found out and this led to Balestrere having leverage over Billet. Eventually, the Fox Head Brewery bought a hotel in Jamiaca and Buster made Billet manager. Balistrieri asked Giancana if he wanted to "take over a large gambling casino in the hotel." Billet lost the managorial position and their plan didn't work.
-Balistrieri is involved in the Continental Music Company.
-The chicago outfit may have 500 members (this is wrong as they may not have had 100 at their peak, though it shows how the smaller families saw them)
-Sam Giancana is the boss, Sam "Teets" Battaglia is the underboss, and the following are capodecina: Felix Alderisio, Marshal Caifano, Frank LaPorte, Tony Maccalucci (ph), and Ross Prio
-Ross Prio is a north side leader who was originally in Jim DiGeorge's crew
-Maniaci heard complaints that people are upset in Chicago that only a few are making money. Also, they are upset that Sam Giancana "is too much of a playboy." CI also advised that John Cerone may be Giancana's successor. Cerone is very close to Tony Accardo
-Frank Balistrieri is related to former Kansas City boss James "Big Jim" Balistrieri (It appears his real last name was Balestrere, though his fathers last name was Balistrieri)
-Joseph Cusimano and Joe Jellosa (or Jealouso) are two Kansas City members who have visited Milwaukee in the past
-The Kansas City import Joseph Gurera was said to have killed two politicians (clearly referring to the infamous hit that left Charles Binaggio and Charles Gargotta dead)
-Balistrieri made Gurera a capodecina and Buster Balestrere worked under him. Both members went back to Kansas City in 1963 after pressure was put on Milwaukee for Anthony Biernat's murder
-On April 18, 1964 Peter Balistrieri's (Frank's brother) daughter married Leonard Drewek, a non-Italian. John Molle, Buster Balestrere, and Jim Balestrere (Not made) all went to the wedding
-Peter Balistrieri is a capodecina
-Rockford's boss is Joseph Zummutto, the underboss is Frank Bucemi, and the consigliere is Joseph Zitto. (FNU) Caltegerone is a member who's old and used to be close to Milwaukee capodecina Pasquale Migliaccio. Caltergerone may be a reference to Carl "Charlie Vince" Caltegerone
-Madison, Wisconsin has 10-15 members. The boss is Carl Caputo and Joseph "Joe Pizza Pie" Aiello is a member. Both are wealthy with real estate investments.
-Benny DeSalvo was a capodecina in Madison, but died in February of 1964 at 84 years old. He was buried in Chicago
-The following is the boss succession of Milwaukee: Vito Guardalabene (Nicola Gentile reported Joseph Vallone was the underboss in 1915) Peter Guardalabene (Son of Vito) Joseph "Big Joe" Amato Joseph Vallone (Boss from mid 1920's-mid 1930's) Joseph Gumina was the underboss to Vallone (also says Gumina was capodecina, maybe he controlled a crew along with being consigliere) Charles Zarcone was the consigliere Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Migele Mineo was a capodecina Tom Lucua (ph) was a capodecina Sam Ferrara (Mid 1930's-1952) Joe Gumina was the underboss (again lists him as capo too) Charles Zarcone is listed as consigliere Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Migele Mineo was a capodecina Joseph Caminiti is also a captain (may have been captain under Vallone as well) John Alioto (1952-1962) Joe Gumina was the underboss (again lists him as capo too) Migele Mineo was a capodecina John DiTrapani was a capodecina until his murder in 1954 Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Frank Balistrieri was a capodecina as well Frank Balistrieri (1962-time document was typed) appears he had no underboss Charles Zarcone would be consigliere if Balistrieri had one, Maniaci doesn't know if he actually was though John Alioto was a capodecina and had the older members in his crew Peter Balistrieri was a capodecina "who has active members under his direction" -Older members are displeased with Balistrieri for not consulting any members and making Joseph Gurera (Kansas City) a capodecina instead of a local member
-Older members blame Balistrieri for the publicity LCN is getting due to Anthony Biernat's murder also there's resentment because no one is making money
-Maniaci said he wouldn't be surprised if they killed Balistrieri one day
-On January 4th, 14th, and the 31st Balistrieri held parties at Gallagher's restaurant in an attempt to get the opposite faction to like him. He planned to have another similar meeting a month later. He also assured the members that jobs would soon open up and he gave Vito Aiello, John Aiello, and Maniaci himself jobs at gambling places.
-Balistrieri is very cautious in regards to his personal movements
-Another CI reported the meeting at Gallagher's was to fix the bad feelings between Myron Jennaro and Paul Bogosian who are both associates of the Milwaukee family
-the following is the structure according to Maniaci: capo: boss sottocapo: Italian not Sicilian term for underboss "consuleri": (see previous comment about spelling) the consigliere is the counselor who is usually an older member capodecina: heads a crew, means "head of ten", but members sometimes have 50 members in their crew (or in some cases zero members) No mention of soldiers
-the following are popular terms used by members: Amico Nostro: friend of ours; used by fellow members to indicate someones a member avugad: means lawyer, Maniaci said there's no significance as a term in Milwaukee, but it probably was just not for low level members. Normally the avugad is a representative on the commission. for example, Milwaukee's avugad would've been Chicago's boss cumpare: means godfather; used to show closeness to someone don: Italian term of respect, not a mafia term onorata: means honor, Maniaci said he's never heard the mafia called onorata society which many sources have reported omerta: Maniaci said it's to express any qualities in the word "manly" sagia: "chair, committee of boss, underboss, consuleri [sic], and capodecina [sic] Tourna: general meeting where all members attend; for an important reason
-the following are members of Milwaukee identified by Maniaci: John Aiello: made under Ferrara Vito Aiello: Made under Ferrara John Alioto: Made under Guardalabene, was boss then capodecina Albert Albana: Suspect in Biernat's murder and was made a month after in January 1963 Mike Albano: Runs Angelo's Pizzaria, long time member
III. Membership -John Alioto did not make any members, but Vallone, Ferrara, and Balistrieri did. (which must've happened when the books were closed either suggesting the midwest didn't follow this or he did it on the sly)
-To be made originally, you had to be Sicilian, but they switched it to just be full Italian
-Members don't have to kill, but this has been a rule in the past, to be made
-Associates are proposed by a made member who knows the associates potential. In the past, the name would go around to all members and if they objected, he couldn't be made
-the associate could cooperate with law enforcement to be made
-in the past, all members had to be present at the initiation ceremonies (Maniaci calls them "tourna" meaning a general membership meeting). They no longer do that though
-The Biernat murderers were alleged to be Steve DeSalvo, Dominic Principe, and Albert Albana. DeSalvo contacted Biernat before the killing
-during the making ceremony, both the proposed member and his sponser's fingers are pricked and their blood is mixed. Then everyone present joins hands and a picture of a saint is burned (presumably in the proposed members hand) and the proposed member takes an oath in Italian to put the organization over everything including family and religion
-Members must obey all orders under threat of death
-No members can deal drugs or they will be killed
-Members need permission before engaging in something that may affect another member
-In the past disputes between members were taken before the "Sagia" (This is also called the Seggia, consiglio, or the Sicilian term consignu)
-The "Sagia'' was composed of a boss, underboss, "consuleri", and the capodecina (the term "consuleri" suggests multiple consigliere, but the document has used the singular and plural terms interchangeably. traditionally, the consiglio had multiple consigliere though. Also "capodecina" suggests one captain, which wouldn't really make sense in the context so it can be assumed they mean all capidecina in the family)
-Balistrieri no longer consults anyone except Chicago and only for big issues
-Maniaci named the following as members of the LCN family in Milwaukee (these are just from memory): John Aiello: Made under Ferrara Vito Aiello: Made under Ferrara; John Aiello's brother John Alioto: Made under Vito Guardalabene; capodecina Albert Albana: Made in early 1964, after the murder of Anthony Biernat Mike Albano: Runs Angelo's Pizzaria; long time member Tony Albano: Mike's uncle; retired Frank Balistrieri: boss; made with John DiTrapani; in Joe Ferrara's crew?; Made capodecina under John Alioto Joseph Balistrieri: Frank's dad; longtime member Peter Balistrieri: Frank's brother; capodecina Joseph Caminiti: Secretary treasurer of Local 257; made in Chicago under Joe Aiello; came to Milwaukee during Aiello-Capone war; bootlegger during prohibition; capodeinca under Vallone and Ferrara; Balistrieri's closest confidant even closer to Frank than Peter; Married to John Alioto's daughter Harry DeAngelo: Ferrara didn't like him; made in 1963; works sanitation or garbage department; 55 years old Carl Di Maggio: long time soldier Salvatore DiMaggio: Carlo's son; burglar eith extesnive record; made under Ferrara Benny DeSalvo: Made in 1963; nephew of old Madison boss Benny DeSalvo who died in 1964; lived in New York for a while but moved back to Milwaukee and went into construction Steve DeSalvo: Close to Balistrieri; primary suspect in Biernat murder; made one month after the murder Sam Ferrara: former boss; operates liquor store; inactive Joseph Gumina; underboss and capodecina under Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; he was a boxer after coming to America; bootlegger and then worked at A.O. Smith corp.; capable of murder; his son married Ferrara's daughter August Maniaci: Long time soldier Santo Marino: Brother-in-law to Ferrara; not active; operates tevern Migele "Mike" Mineo: Made in chicago; came to Milwaukee during Aiello-Capone war; capodecina under Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; employed by Schlitz Brewery John Pernice: former bootlegger; unemployed; not known to hold leadership position Dominic Principe: Another Biernat murder suspect; made following murder; lives in Illinois Joe Rizzo: inactive; worked as bartender in multiple places Vito Seidita: inactive; 55 years old; works for city of Milwaukee, maybe in street department Joseph Spero: inactive; works for city of Milwaukee, maybe in garbage department Charles Zarcone: consigliere during Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; may be consigliere under Balistrieri, but Maniaci doesnt know
Maniaci also listed the following as members affiliated with other families that live in Milwaukee: Frank LaGalbo: runs Chico's restaurant; was supposed to be killed along with DiTrapani; transfered to Chicago under Frank LaPorte John DiBella: member from Italy; close to Joe Bonanno; head of Grande Cheese Company Ralph "bottles" Capone: Chicago member; no importance in the underworld James DiGeorge: operates stock farm; owns land in Adams county, Wisconsin; former capodecina of North Chicago; years ago he was supposed to be killed, but got a pass; lives in exile in Wisconsin (likely shelved)
-Maniaci said that even your immidiate family may not know your made and it's typical for people to keep their sons out of the mafia
Maniaci named the following as people not members of Milwaukee, but closely associated with Milwaukee: Walter "Walter Blackie" Brocca: worked forvarious businesses on behalf of Frank Balistrieri Tony Bruno: No member of Bruno's family has ever been a member Sam Cefalu: gambler; lives at 1606 North Jackson; employed by Balistrieri Sam Cefalu: lives at 3461 North Cramer; not related to the other Sam Cefalu; worked for Balistrieri in a gambling office Anthony "Sheriff Cefalu" Cefalu: Brother of Sam (doesnt say which one); employed as gambler Gus Chiaverotti: Working for Frank Balistrieri in Continental Music Co.; closely associates with Balistrieri Sam DaQuista: No other DaQuista family member has been connected Joe Dentice: No Dentice has been a member Dominic Frinzi: Lawyer for Milwaukee mafia Nick Fugarino: closely associates with LCN Ted Gagliano: Gambler Nick Gentile (Doesnt specify if its Nicola Gentile, the one who wrote a book): not a member, but associates with LCN Joseph Guarniere: not a member Dr. Vito Guardalabene: Son of former boss Pete; no living Guardalabene is a member of mafia Danny Lampone: No Lampones are made Tony LaRosa: associated with LCN, not member Sam Librizzi: Gambling LCN associate Tony and Tom Machi: gamblers John Mandella: not a member Vincent Mercurio: not a member John Percurio: creditor to Frank Balistrieri who he's related to Tom Piscitello: not a member John and Joe Piscuine: Gamblers; no Piscuine's have been members Bruno Ramazini: former operator of Holiday House Frank "Big foot Hogan" Sansone: gambler; runs a restaurant Joe Sardino: no other Sardino's are connected with LCN Tom Sorce: Gambler Frank Stelloh: Close to Frank Balistrieri and Steve DeSalvo; non Italian, so couldn't be made Nick Tarantino: "very close" and trusted by Frank Balistrieri; couldn't be made because he helped police in a burglary investigation, this was well known to LCN John Triliegi: LCN associate Sam Vermiglio: former head of a counterfeit cigarette stamp ring; deals drugs; murdered John Volpe: runs the Holiday house
-An informant, possibly Maniaci, advised in 1964 tht Frank Balistrieri has a share in William Covelli's gambling operation (CI doesnt say, but Covelli may have been made)
-Aforementioned informant said Balistrieri also has a share in John Rizzo's bookmaking operation. Al Albana is the one who brings the money from Rizzo and Covelli to Balistrieri
-Both Maniaci and another CI reported that Balistrieri, Rizzo, and Covelli thought about buting a Key Club in Park City, Illinois. Maniaci said that if Balistrieri was serious, he would have to talk to Chicago first since its their terretory
-On April 5, 1964 CI (aforementioned informant, probably not Maniaci) advised that he expected Buster Balestrere and Joe Gurera were expected to come back to Milwaukee before June of 1964. They are coming back to act as hosts in a big crap game. Nick Tarantino would be a treasurer in the game. Frank Balistrieri will own the game and Buster Balestrere will be pit boss and host. The reasoning for starting the game was it would make a lot of money and wouldn't violate a federal law.
-Sam Cefalu and Sam Librizzi run a gambling office recieving a line from out of state, this is the only out of state line. Sam Dentice is a runner for the operation. Anthony "Sheriff Cefalu" Cefalu used to be involved, but is inactive
-a CI advised that 70% of gamblers are represented by Dominic Frinzi. Frinzi has represented Anthony Cefalu, Charles Piscuine, Robert Pick, William Cole, Steve Halmo, and Harvey Wach
-A CI advised on March 7, 1964 members of "Chicago and Miami outfits" (maybe meaning Tampa) were trying to build a motel in the bahamas. Balistrieri was going to have a 5% interest in it
-A different CI advised that Giancana was interested in a casino at Cat Cay in the Bahamas.
-Ben Novac owned the Fountainbleu Hotel in Miami and was a close associate of Chicago and New York LCN. He applied for a license to operate a casino in the Bahamas in April of 1964 and was denied due to his financial ties to gangsters
-a CI (probably Maniaci) reported on April 3, 1964 that Balistrieri and former capodecina, but current soldier Joe Caminiti had a meeting where they discussed the Milwaukee Police Department (MPD). Balistrieri said he helped get cheif of police Harold Breter into office. Blaistrieri said he felt the MPD was trying to put heat on him by arresting young people who frequented Gallagher's restaurant and they surveilled LCN members. Balistrieri met with inspector Kremsreiter who was the number 3 man in the MPD. Kremsreiter and Balistrieri met at Fazio's and had lunch. At lunch, Balistrieri suggested that the MPD should stay away from his kind and that there are not enough police to be just focusing on him. Balistrieri told Caminiti that he was happy with how it went.
-Frank Ranney is a secretary-treasurer of Teamsters local 200 and is very close to Balistrieri even working together at Atomic Industries, a bubble gum company
-An informant advised on March 24, 1964 that Balistrieri, Frank Ranney, and Joe Caminiti met at Fazio's. The informant said Balistrieri had "some form of domination over Ranney"
-One CI stated that Balistrieri is connected to Jimmy Hoffa and could get a multi-million dollar loan to build a motel in Milwaukee.
-Tony Volpe is connected with Chicago and has access to the money from the welfare and pension fund of the teamster union in Chicago and that many Las Vegas casinos have been financed with the money.
-On April 3, 1964, a CI (or wiretap) reported that Joe Caminiti and Frank Balistrieri had a meeting where they discussed "the disposition of money supplied by the Teamsters to Frank Balistrieri for distribution to some of the candidates for Alderman in the City of Milwaukee." Caminiti told Balistrieri he'll advise the candidates that they are backed by the teamsters.
-During the same meeting Caminiti insuled Robert Kennedy saying he operated a gestapo. They also talked about a speech Congressman Alvin O'Konski gave talking good about Jimmy Hoffa. The Teamsters gave money to O'Konski and Senator Morse (ph) for political purposes
-Caminiti said Robert Kennedy infringes on civil liberties, this was after O'Konski told him about an investigation coming by the DOJ
-Caminiti also said that the Teamsters had trouble getting the poney to pay for Jimmy Hoffa's legal expenses. Out of 35 locals in Wisconsin, 20 wouldn't pass anything in support of paying. Because of this, they decided they would take the money out of the joint counsil, meaning every member will pay .05-.10 cents
-Joe Caminiti told Frank Balistrieri that Frank Ranney said to be careful giving money to Alderman Allen L. Calhoun. This was due to when Calhoun once moved districts, he came into conflict with Al Hass who was close to the Milwaukee LCN. Balistrieri already knew and met with Calhoun and told him that Hass is who they're most loyal too, but they will support whoever won. Balistrieri gave cash to Calhoun as an unreported donation
-Balistrieri gave a donation to Art Else, who's opponent was Henry Maier. Balistrieri gave Else the donation at Gallagher's restaurant.
-Angelo Provinzano was a member of the city service commission who was mobbed up. Balistrieri gave money to Provinzano who then donated money to mob backed candidates. Provinzano donated $995 to mayor Henry Maier. Provinzano also was used in the past to get Italians in positions in the city government and police department. Informant said Provinzano wasn't made
-On April 17, 1964, Dominic Frinzi (mob attorney) was going to run for governor and the mafia backed him. Frinzi himself wasn't confident he could win, but it would give him publicity which he could later use to become a judge
-Anthony Biernat was found buried in a cellar of an abandoned farm sprinkled with lime, but it wasn't the right kind which would disintegrate a body
-Frank Balistrieri partly owns The Pitch Specialty Co. Balistrieri's relative Peter Picciuro operated the business. His father John Picciuro also has a piece or co-owns it.
-Carl Dentice has a jukebox operation in his name for Frank Balistrieri
-Sam Dentice got a jukebox license under his name for Balistrieri
-Peter Sciotino's bakery was targeted in a bombing because of Balistrieri's shakedown campaign. Sciortino was personally connected to Joe Bonanno in some way and ended up not having to pay. Sciortino himself wasn't a LCN member
-Balistrieri's shakedown campaign began in the summer of 1962 with Joseph Gurera and Buster Balestrere shaking businessmen and gamblers down. Some people did resist so Balistrieri wanted to send a message. They were going to kill either Bill Cole or Bobby Pick, but when LE found out they stopped trying.
-An informant though Tony LaRosa might be killed because it was said the Milwaukee family heard he gave information to LE
-In may of 1964, an informant said that Steve DeSalvo and Frank Stelloh now operated as musclemen for Balistrieri. They even planned to murder someone who the informant didn't know.
-The informant thought the murder target may have been Izzy Tocco who was a booker for Sam Cefalu and got in trouble, but the informant thought that this would be too little a reason to murder someone
-A different informant supplied information suggesting the murder target may be Joe Beck. Beck was making complaints against the Continental Sales Co. Balistrieri made comments to the acting manager Gus Chiaverotti where he expressed his anger against Beck.
-An informant advised on April 10, 1964 that he heard a story about a Milwaukee gangster being offered $5,000 by the Chicago LCN "to make a hit" on a prominent businessman who was made. The reasoning was because the man owed the Chicago family between $18,000-$20,000. The man either stole the money or bet and lost the outfit's money
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History of the Milwaukee Outfit
-Al Capone was a camorrista and an associate of Masseria and Capone had a large scale gambling and bootlegging operation
-Joe Aiello would gamble at Capone's places, but when he would lose, he would have the gambling operation raided and Aiello's men would take much more money than was lost
-Capone was paying protection to Masseria
-A dispute arose between Masseria and Aiello and Masseria than brought Capone in and made him a capodecina and told Capone to kill Aiello
-In 1926 or 1927, there was a "Appalachian type meeting" (Generale assemblea?) in Pewaukee, Wisconsin. The meetings purpose was to make peace in Chicago, but other families attended
-Tough Tony Capesio was one of the shooters in the St. Valentine's day massacre
-Jack Zutta, a Jewish Aiello associate, was murdered by Capone's gang
-The Milwaukee mafia banned people from helping Aiello.
-Sam Aiello, Joe Caminiti, and Migele Mineo were former Aiello members who fled Chicago to join the Milwaukee family
-Sam Aiello wasn't sympathetic about his brother. Sam returned to Chicago later and was in Jim DiGeorge's crew
-Carl Caputa left Chicago and went to Madison where he became boss. Joe "Joe Pizza Pie" Aiello (unspecified relation to the Joe Capone wared with) went with Caputa to Madison
-Milwaukee didn't try to extort any gamblers until Sam Ferrara
-Al Capone was Neopolitan, the next boss was Tony Accardo who was "Thelast Sicilian to be an important boss," Accardo was succeeded by a Neopolotan Sam Giancana (Pretty sure this info is wrong)
-Chicago outfit was a "Money grabbing operation" where only a few leaders profit "at the expense of the general membership" this had an effect on Milwaukee
-Chicago took over Milwaukee in 1952
-Sam Ferrara wanted to have a piece of the Ogden social club which was a gambling place that Frank Balistrieri had a piece on and Balistieri was Son-In-Law to John Alioto. Balistrieri said no to Ferrara and then Ferrara shelved Balistrieri. Milwaukee then asked Chicago to help them with all the trouble.
-A general meeting was held in 1952; Tony Accardo, Rocco Fischetti, and Sam Giancana attended. Sam Ferrara was taken down as boss and replaced by John Alioto
-Alioto reinstated Balistrieri and made him a capodecina
-While Alioto was boss, no gamblers or businessmen were extorted
-John DiTrapani was a capodecina who didn't like Alioto, so he said he would spend $90,000 and even was willing to finance some murders
-One of DiTrapani's friends "Pasternak" lost a lot of money gambling with the outfit and DiTrapani made it known he was very upset
-Furthermore, Alioto heard about Ditrapani's plans to become boss and this sealed DiTrapani's fate
-Chicago were the ones who ordered DiTrapani's murder, not Alioto
-DiTrapani and Frank LaGalbo (a member and DiTrapani associate) were called to a meeting by the Chicago outfit. The meeting was going to be in Milwaukee though.
-LaGalbo warned DiTrapani not to go. LaGabo himself wasn't going to go.
-DiTrapani went anyway and on March 16, 1954 he was murdered. the following day he was found shot in his car
-LaGalbo was very well connected to Chicago and he set up a transfer where he would be in the Chicago family in the decina of Frank LaPorte
-LaPorte was centered in Chicago Heights
-Jack Enea was also apart of the faction that wanted Alioto taken down as boss. he wasn't killed until November, 1954 (Chicago authorized it)
-In January of 1962, Joe Alioto retired and Frank P. Balistrieri took over, Alioto was upset about this. Alioto apparently felt it should've gone to an older man
-furthermore, Alioto was upset that Balistrieri had an affair with his wife's cousin
-Balistrieri began shaking down gamblers and businessmen
-Balistrieri was collecting $500-$600 from Bruno Ramazini and John Volpe who ran the Holiday House
-Despite not collecting from Frank and Jimmy Fazio who ran restaurants, there was an incident where a bomb went off. After this, Balistrieri went to Florida and when he came back he said that they had a piece of Jimmy Fazio's place in Fort Lauderdale
-Balistrieri was not liked by older members because he never consulted with anyone before making decisions and Maniaci even said it would not surprise him if Balistrieri was murdered. Maniaci said if anyone were to kill Balistrieri, it would be the outfit
II. Organization and Leadership -The 1957 Apalachin meeting was due to Albert Anastasia taking forcible action which affected other bosses without telling them.
-Anastasia was killed due to the disappearance of two unnamed men
-John Alioto and Frank Balistrieri were going to go to Apalachin but didnt at the last moment. Also, attendance was not mandatory at Apalachin
-Maniaci didn't know too much about the commission or its structure, but he said it had around 7 members and though he doesn't know if there is a "boss of bosses," if anyone was it would be Giancana (clearly shows his midwest bias)
-Giancana had control over Madison, Rockford, and Springfield
-Balistrieri went to Chicago periodically for meetings with Giancana, Battaglia, or capodecina Felix "Milwaukee Phil" Alderisio. These meeting were at the underboss Sam Battaglia's farm
-occassionally, Balistrieri would meet with Alderisio, Battaglia, and Marshal Caifano in a Milwaukee hotel
-Ralph Capone of Mercer, Wisconsin isn't connected with Milwaukee or Chicago
-At one point, the Pfister hotel manager Marvin Billet made a deal and Kansas City member Sebastian "Buster" Balestrere (who was "imported" to Milwaukee along with Joseph Gurera for the purpose of shaking bookmakers and businessmen down) found out and this led to Balestrere having leverage over Billet. Eventually, the Fox Head Brewery bought a hotel in Jamiaca and Buster made Billet manager. Balistrieri asked Giancana if he wanted to "take over a large gambling casino in the hotel." Billet lost the managorial position and their plan didn't work.
-Balistrieri is involved in the Continental Music Company.
-The chicago outfit may have 500 members (this is wrong as they may not have had 100 at their peak, though it shows how the smaller families saw them)
-Sam Giancana is the boss, Sam "Teets" Battaglia is the underboss, and the following are capodecina: Felix Alderisio, Marshal Caifano, Frank LaPorte, Tony Maccalucci (ph), and Ross Prio
-Ross Prio is a north side leader who was originally in Jim DiGeorge's crew
-Maniaci heard complaints that people are upset in Chicago that only a few are making money. Also, they are upset that Sam Giancana "is too much of a playboy." CI also advised that John Cerone may be Giancana's successor. Cerone is very close to Tony Accardo
-Frank Balistrieri is related to former Kansas City boss James "Big Jim" Balistrieri (It appears his real last name was Balestrere, though his fathers last name was Balistrieri)
-Joseph Cusimano and Joe Jellosa (or Jealouso) are two Kansas City members who have visited Milwaukee in the past
-The Kansas City import Joseph Gurera was said to have killed two politicians (clearly referring to the infamous hit that left Charles Binaggio and Charles Gargotta dead)
-Balistrieri made Gurera a capodecina and Buster Balestrere worked under him. Both members went back to Kansas City in 1963 after pressure was put on Milwaukee for Anthony Biernat's murder
-On April 18, 1964 Peter Balistrieri's (Frank's brother) daughter married Leonard Drewek, a non-Italian. John Molle, Buster Balestrere, and Jim Balestrere (Not made) all went to the wedding
-Peter Balistrieri is a capodecina
-Rockford's boss is Joseph Zummutto, the underboss is Frank Bucemi, and the consigliere is Joseph Zitto. (FNU) Caltegerone is a member who's old and used to be close to Milwaukee capodecina Pasquale Migliaccio. Caltergerone may be a reference to Carl "Charlie Vince" Caltegerone
-Madison, Wisconsin has 10-15 members. The boss is Carl Caputo and Joseph "Joe Pizza Pie" Aiello is a member. Both are wealthy with real estate investments.
-Benny DeSalvo was a capodecina in Madison, but died in February of 1964 at 84 years old. He was buried in Chicago
-The following is the boss succession of Milwaukee: Vito Guardalabene (Nicola Gentile reported Joseph Vallone was the underboss in 1915) Peter Guardalabene (Son of Vito) Joseph "Big Joe" Amato Joseph Vallone (Boss from mid 1920's-mid 1930's) Joseph Gumina was the underboss to Vallone (also says Gumina was capodecina, maybe he controlled a crew along with being consigliere) Charles Zarcone was the consigliere Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Migele Mineo was a capodecina Tom Lucua (ph) was a capodecina Sam Ferrara (Mid 1930's-1952) Joe Gumina was the underboss (again lists him as capo too) Charles Zarcone is listed as consigliere Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Migele Mineo was a capodecina Joseph Caminiti is also a captain (may have been captain under Vallone as well) John Alioto (1952-1962) Joe Gumina was the underboss (again lists him as capo too) Migele Mineo was a capodecina John DiTrapani was a capodecina until his murder in 1954 Pasquale Migliaccio was a capodecina Frank Balistrieri was a capodecina as well Frank Balistrieri (1962-time document was typed) appears he had no underboss Charles Zarcone would be consigliere if Balistrieri had one, Maniaci doesn't know if he actually was though John Alioto was a capodecina and had the older members in his crew Peter Balistrieri was a capodecina "who has active members under his direction" -Older members are displeased with Balistrieri for not consulting any members and making Joseph Gurera (Kansas City) a capodecina instead of a local member
-Older members blame Balistrieri for the publicity LCN is getting due to Anthony Biernat's murder also there's resentment because no one is making money
-Maniaci said he wouldn't be surprised if they killed Balistrieri one day
-On January 4th, 14th, and the 31st Balistrieri held parties at Gallagher's restaurant in an attempt to get the opposite faction to like him. He planned to have another similar meeting a month later. He also assured the members that jobs would soon open up and he gave Vito Aiello, John Aiello, and Maniaci himself jobs at gambling places.
-Balistrieri is very cautious in regards to his personal movements
-Another CI reported the meeting at Gallagher's was to fix the bad feelings between Myron Jennaro and Paul Bogosian who are both associates of the Milwaukee family
-the following is the structure according to Maniaci: capo: boss sottocapo: Italian not Sicilian term for underboss "consuleri": (see previous comment about spelling) the consigliere is the counselor who is usually an older member capodecina: heads a crew, means "head of ten", but members sometimes have 50 members in their crew (or in some cases zero members) No mention of soldiers
-the following are popular terms used by members: Amico Nostro: friend of ours; used by fellow members to indicate someones a member avugad: means lawyer, Maniaci said there's no significance as a term in Milwaukee, but it probably was just not for low level members. Normally the avugad is a representative on the commission. for example, Milwaukee's avugad would've been Chicago's boss cumpare: means godfather; used to show closeness to someone don: Italian term of respect, not a mafia term onorata: means honor, Maniaci said he's never heard the mafia called onorata society which many sources have reported omerta: Maniaci said it's to express any qualities in the word "manly" sagia: "chair, committee of boss, underboss, consuleri [sic], and capodecina [sic] Tourna: general meeting where all members attend; for an important reason
-the following are members of Milwaukee identified by Maniaci: John Aiello: made under Ferrara Vito Aiello: Made under Ferrara John Alioto: Made under Guardalabene, was boss then capodecina Albert Albana: Suspect in Biernat's murder and was made a month after in January 1963 Mike Albano: Runs Angelo's Pizzaria, long time member
III. Membership -John Alioto did not make any members, but Vallone, Ferrara, and Balistrieri did. (which must've happened when the books were closed either suggesting the midwest didn't follow this or he did it on the sly)
-To be made originally, you had to be Sicilian, but they switched it to just be full Italian
-Members don't have to kill, but this has been a rule in the past, to be made
-Associates are proposed by a made member who knows the associates potential. In the past, the name would go around to all members and if they objected, he couldn't be made
-the associate could cooperate with law enforcement to be made
-in the past, all members had to be present at the initiation ceremonies (Maniaci calls them "tourna" meaning a general membership meeting). They no longer do that though
-The Biernat murderers were alleged to be Steve DeSalvo, Dominic Principe, and Albert Albana. DeSalvo contacted Biernat before the killing
-during the making ceremony, both the proposed member and his sponser's fingers are pricked and their blood is mixed. Then everyone present joins hands and a picture of a saint is burned (presumably in the proposed members hand) and the proposed member takes an oath in Italian to put the organization over everything including family and religion
-Members must obey all orders under threat of death
-No members can deal drugs or they will be killed
-Members need permission before engaging in something that may affect another member
-In the past disputes between members were taken before the "Sagia" (This is also called the Seggia, consiglio, or the Sicilian term consignu)
-The "Sagia'' was composed of a boss, underboss, "consuleri", and the capodecina (the term "consuleri" suggests multiple consigliere, but the document has used the singular and plural terms interchangeably. traditionally, the consiglio had multiple consigliere though. Also "capodecina" suggests one captain, which wouldn't really make sense in the context so it can be assumed they mean all capidecina in the family)
-Balistrieri no longer consults anyone except Chicago and only for big issues
-Maniaci named the following as members of the LCN family in Milwaukee (these are just from memory): John Aiello: Made under Ferrara Vito Aiello: Made under Ferrara; John Aiello's brother John Alioto: Made under Vito Guardalabene; capodecina Albert Albana: Made in early 1964, after the murder of Anthony Biernat Mike Albano: Runs Angelo's Pizzaria; long time member Tony Albano: Mike's uncle; retired Frank Balistrieri: boss; made with John DiTrapani; in Joe Ferrara's crew?; Made capodecina under John Alioto Joseph Balistrieri: Frank's dad; longtime member Peter Balistrieri: Frank's brother; capodecina Joseph Caminiti: Secretary treasurer of Local 257; made in Chicago under Joe Aiello; came to Milwaukee during Aiello-Capone war; bootlegger during prohibition; capodeinca under Vallone and Ferrara; Balistrieri's closest confidant even closer to Frank than Peter; Married to John Alioto's daughter Harry DeAngelo: Ferrara didn't like him; made in 1963; works sanitation or garbage department; 55 years old Carl Di Maggio: long time soldier Salvatore DiMaggio: Carlo's son; burglar eith extesnive record; made under Ferrara Benny DeSalvo: Made in 1963; nephew of old Madison boss Benny DeSalvo who died in 1964; lived in New York for a while but moved back to Milwaukee and went into construction Steve DeSalvo: Close to Balistrieri; primary suspect in Biernat murder; made one month after the murder Sam Ferrara: former boss; operates liquor store; inactive Joseph Gumina; underboss and capodecina under Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; he was a boxer after coming to America; bootlegger and then worked at A.O. Smith corp.; capable of murder; his son married Ferrara's daughter August Maniaci: Long time soldier Santo Marino: Brother-in-law to Ferrara; not active; operates tevern Migele "Mike" Mineo: Made in chicago; came to Milwaukee during Aiello-Capone war; capodecina under Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; employed by Schlitz Brewery John Pernice: former bootlegger; unemployed; not known to hold leadership position Dominic Principe: Another Biernat murder suspect; made following murder; lives in Illinois Joe Rizzo: inactive; worked as bartender in multiple places Vito Seidita: inactive; 55 years old; works for city of Milwaukee, maybe in street department Joseph Spero: inactive; works for city of Milwaukee, maybe in garbage department Charles Zarcone: consigliere during Vallone, Ferrara, and Alioto; may be consigliere under Balistrieri, but Maniaci doesnt know
Maniaci also listed the following as members affiliated with other families that live in Milwaukee: Frank LaGalbo: runs Chico's restaurant; was supposed to be killed along with DiTrapani; transfered to Chicago under Frank LaPorte John DiBella: member from Italy; close to Joe Bonanno; head of Grande Cheese Company Ralph "bottles" Capone: Chicago member; no importance in the underworld James DiGeorge: operates stock farm; owns land in Adams county, Wisconsin; former capodecina of North Chicago; years ago he was supposed to be killed, but got a pass; lives in exile in Wisconsin (likely shelved)
-Maniaci said that even your immidiate family may not know your made and it's typical for people to keep their sons out of the mafia
Maniaci named the following as people not members of Milwaukee, but closely associated with Milwaukee: Walter "Walter Blackie" Brocca: worked forvarious businesses on behalf of Frank Balistrieri Tony Bruno: No member of Bruno's family has ever been a member Sam Cefalu: gambler; lives at 1606 North Jackson; employed by Balistrieri Sam Cefalu: lives at 3461 North Cramer; not related to the other Sam Cefalu; worked for Balistrieri in a gambling office Anthony "Sheriff Cefalu" Cefalu: Brother of Sam (doesnt say which one); employed as gambler Gus Chiaverotti: Working for Frank Balistrieri in Continental Music Co.; closely associates with Balistrieri Sam DaQuista: No other DaQuista family member has been connected Joe Dentice: No Dentice has been a member Dominic Frinzi: Lawyer for Milwaukee mafia Nick Fugarino: closely associates with LCN Ted Gagliano: Gambler Nick Gentile (Doesnt specify if its Nicola Gentile, the one who wrote a book): not a member, but associates with LCN Joseph Guarniere: not a member Dr. Vito Guardalabene: Son of former boss Pete; no living Guardalabene is a member of mafia Danny Lampone: No Lampones are made Tony LaRosa: associated with LCN, not member Sam Librizzi: Gambling LCN associate Tony and Tom Machi: gamblers John Mandella: not a member Vincent Mercurio: not a member John Percurio: creditor to Frank Balistrieri who he's related to Tom Piscitello: not a member John and Joe Piscuine: Gamblers; no Piscuine's have been members Bruno Ramazini: former operator of Holiday House Frank "Big foot Hogan" Sansone: gambler; runs a restaurant Joe Sardino: no other Sardino's are connected with LCN Tom Sorce: Gambler Frank Stelloh: Close to Frank Balistrieri and Steve DeSalvo; non Italian, so couldn't be made Nick Tarantino: "very close" and trusted by Frank Balistrieri; couldn't be made because he helped police in a burglary investigation, this was well known to LCN John Triliegi: LCN associate Sam Vermiglio: former head of a counterfeit cigarette stamp ring; deals drugs; murdered John Volpe: runs the Holiday house
-An informant, possibly Maniaci, advised in 1964 tht Frank Balistrieri has a share in William Covelli's gambling operation (CI doesnt say, but Covelli may have been made)
-Aforementioned informant said Balistrieri also has a share in John Rizzo's bookmaking operation. Al Albana is the one who brings the money from Rizzo and Covelli to Balistrieri
-Both Maniaci and another CI reported that Balistrieri, Rizzo, and Covelli thought about buting a Key Club in Park City, Illinois. Maniaci said that if Balistrieri was serious, he would have to talk to Chicago first since its their terretory
-On April 5, 1964 CI (aforementioned informant, probably not Maniaci) advised that he expected Buster Balestrere and Joe Gurera were expected to come back to Milwaukee before June of 1964. They are coming back to act as hosts in a big crap game. Nick Tarantino would be a treasurer in the game. Frank Balistrieri will own the game and Buster Balestrere will be pit boss and host. The reasoning for starting the game was it would make a lot of money and wouldn't violate a federal law.
-Sam Cefalu and Sam Librizzi run a gambling office recieving a line from out of state, this is the only out of state line. Sam Dentice is a runner for the operation. Anthony "Sheriff Cefalu" Cefalu used to be involved, but is inactive
-a CI advised that 70% of gamblers are represented by Dominic Frinzi. Frinzi has represented Anthony Cefalu, Charles Piscuine, Robert Pick, William Cole, Steve Halmo, and Harvey Wach
-A CI advised on March 7, 1964 members of "Chicago and Miami outfits" (maybe meaning Tampa) were trying to build a motel in the bahamas. Balistrieri was going to have a 5% interest in it
-A different CI advised that Giancana was interested in a casino at Cat Cay in the Bahamas.
-Ben Novac owned the Fountainbleu Hotel in Miami and was a close associate of Chicago and New York LCN. He applied for a license to operate a casino in the Bahamas in April of 1964 and was denied due to his financial ties to gangsters
-a CI (probably Maniaci) reported on April 3, 1964 that Balistrieri and former capodecina, but current soldier Joe Caminiti had a meeting where they discussed the Milwaukee Police Department (MPD). Balistrieri said he helped get cheif of police Harold Breter into office. Blaistrieri said he felt the MPD was trying to put heat on him by arresting young people who frequented Gallagher's restaurant and they surveilled LCN members. Balistrieri met with inspector Kremsreiter who was the number 3 man in the MPD. Kremsreiter and Balistrieri met at Fazio's and had lunch. At lunch, Balistrieri suggested that the MPD should stay away from his kind and that there are not enough police to be just focusing on him. Balistrieri told Caminiti that he was happy with how it went.
-Frank Ranney is a secretary-treasurer of Teamsters local 200 and is very close to Balistrieri even working together at Atomic Industries, a bubble gum company
-An informant advised on March 24, 1964 that Balistrieri, Frank Ranney, and Joe Caminiti met at Fazio's. The informant said Balistrieri had "some form of domination over Ranney"
-One CI stated that Balistrieri is connected to Jimmy Hoffa and could get a multi-million dollar loan to build a motel in Milwaukee.
-Tony Volpe is connected with Chicago and has access to the money from the welfare and pension fund of the teamster union in Chicago and that many Las Vegas casinos have been financed with the money.
-On April 3, 1964, a CI (or wiretap) reported that Joe Caminiti and Frank Balistrieri had a meeting where they discussed "the disposition of money supplied by the Teamsters to Frank Balistrieri for distribution to some of the candidates for Alderman in the City of Milwaukee." Caminiti told Balistrieri he'll advise the candidates that they are backed by the teamsters.
-During the same meeting Caminiti insuled Robert Kennedy saying he operated a gestapo. They also talked about a speech Congressman Alvin O'Konski gave talking good about Jimmy Hoffa. The Teamsters gave money to O'Konski and Senator Morse (ph) for political purposes
-Caminiti said Robert Kennedy infringes on civil liberties, this was after O'Konski told him about an investigation coming by the DOJ
-Caminiti also said that the Teamsters had trouble getting the poney to pay for Jimmy Hoffa's legal expenses. Out of 35 locals in Wisconsin, 20 wouldn't pass anything in support of paying. Because of this, they decided they would take the money out of the joint counsil, meaning every member will pay .05-.10 cents
-Joe Caminiti told Frank Balistrieri that Frank Ranney said to be careful giving money to Alderman Allen L. Calhoun. This was due to when Calhoun once moved districts, he came into conflict with Al Hass who was close to the Milwaukee LCN. Balistrieri already knew and met with Calhoun and told him that Hass is who they're most loyal too, but they will support whoever won. Balistrieri gave cash to Calhoun as an unreported donation
-Balistrieri gave a donation to Art Else, who's opponent was Henry Maier. Balistrieri gave Else the donation at Gallagher's restaurant.
-Angelo Provinzano was a member of the city service commission who was mobbed up. Balistrieri gave money to Provinzano who then donated money to mob backed candidates. Provinzano donated $995 to mayor Henry Maier. Provinzano also was used in the past to get Italians in positions in the city government and police department. Informant said Provinzano wasn't made
-On April 17, 1964, Dominic Frinzi (mob attorney) was going to run for governor and the mafia backed him. Frinzi himself wasn't confident he could win, but it would give him publicity which he could later use to become a judge
-Anthony Biernat was found buried in a cellar of an abandoned farm sprinkled with lime, but it wasn't the right kind which would disintegrate a body
-Frank Balistrieri partly owns The Pitch Specialty Co. Balistrieri's relative Peter Picciuro operated the business. His father John Picciuro also has a piece or co-owns it.
-Carl Dentice has a jukebox operation in his name for Frank Balistrieri
-Sam Dentice got a jukebox license under his name for Balistrieri
-Peter Sciotino's bakery was targeted in a bombing because of Balistrieri's shakedown campaign. Sciortino was personally connected to Joe Bonanno in some way and ended up not having to pay. Sciortino himself wasn't a LCN member
-Balistrieri's shakedown campaign began in the summer of 1962 with Joseph Gurera and Buster Balestrere shaking businessmen and gamblers down. Some people did resist so Balistrieri wanted to send a message. They were going to kill either Bill Cole or Bobby Pick, but when LE found out they stopped trying.
-An informant though Tony LaRosa might be killed because it was said the Milwaukee family heard he gave information to LE
-In may of 1964, an informant said that Steve DeSalvo and Frank Stelloh now operated as musclemen for Balistrieri. They even planned to murder someone who the informant didn't know.
-The informant thought the murder target may have been Izzy Tocco who was a booker for Sam Cefalu and got in trouble, but the informant thought that this would be too little a reason to murder someone
-A different informant supplied information suggesting the murder target may be Joe Beck. Beck was making complaints against the Continental Sales Co. Balistrieri made comments to the acting manager Gus Chiaverotti where he expressed his anger against Beck.
-An informant advised on April 10, 1964 that he heard a story about a Milwaukee gangster being offered $5,000 by the Chicago LCN "to make a hit" on a prominent businessman who was made. The reasoning was because the man owed the Chicago family between $18,000-$20,000. The man either stole the money or bet and lost the outfit's money
2023.06.06 02:11 TBirdPHX St Pete Community Karen Radar #StPete #Florida #St Petersburg #Tampa #Bay #BayArea #Karen
St Pete FL/ Bay area Karen's lookout. This group is to warn people against those who feel entitled to disrespecting others. AKA a community Karen Radar
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2023.06.05 19:47 imgrahamy ST Petersburg show moved to Orlando
Apparently the St Pete show is now going to be at the Central Florida Fairgrounds in Orlando.
Someone from my office just told me that apparently the City of St Pete decided there was too much going on that weekend so they canceled the permit and it'll now be at the Central Florida Fairgrounds in Orlando.
I haven't received an email or anything, but it is on the brewhaha page. I'm assuming our tickets just carry over?
https://brewhahaproductions.ticketspice.com/nofx-final-tour-st-petersburg
Punkindrublic page still shows Vinroy Park in St Pete. I cant link that page because my work computer blocks out alcohol and drug related websites.
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Someone from my office just told me that apparently the City of St Pete decided there was too much going on that weekend so they canceled the permit and it'll now be at the Central Florida Fairgrounds in Orlando.
I haven't received an email or anything, but it is on the brewhaha page. I'm assuming our tickets just carry over?
https://brewhahaproductions.ticketspice.com/nofx-final-tour-st-petersburg
Punkindrublic page still shows Vinroy Park in St Pete. I cant link that page because my work computer blocks out alcohol and drug related websites.
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2023.06.05 16:51 feminist-horsebane Yolo vs. Minnow
I'm gonna start by saying: It's Tierminator, not Terminatier.
I find the comparison of advantages and disadvantages to be somewhat disjointed. I understand the want to be thorough, but a lot of these points feel like they are ultimately irrelevant, and they're formatted in a way where i'm reading St. Georges advantages before I really even know what Black Noirs win condition is. Yolo is also doing a lot of Georges arguing for him- admitting immediately that Noir loses a grapple to George in particular, and that George can't be pierced by Noir feel like bad moves. As far as you know, Minnow never would have thought to argue those points, and now they're ceded in his favor.
My opinion right now is that Noir is stronger than George in striking but weaker in lifting/grappling, and neither is self evidently superior to the other in speed. So George is disadvantaged, but still has a win condition. Both seem to have soft advantages (flight vs. stealth) and tactics that don't work (piercing and fire breath), Noirs just seem slightly more relevant with what's established to me.
In general I kinda find myself thinking that Minnow is asserting a lot of things without evidence. For example, he'll post "Cairax is stronger than Black Noir" to dismiss Cairax hurting George as an antifeat, but then there's no real comparison done between the feats to make Cairax stronger, and the feats themselves don't seem to support that interpretation.
Some of the arguments I find myself buying right now are that Noir dodging Homelander isn't that impressive of a feat because he's using distractions to evade someone he's familiar with, and that the Starlight feat isn't a good showing for Noirs durability because she's charged up in one feat and not in the other, and that things like stealth and weak points aren't tactics Noir would go for immediately.
I'm still of a similar opinion to after Yolo's first response; Noir I think is advantaged here, but in theory George can still win if he gets Noir in a grapple early. I think overall St. George is a bit stronger than portrayed by Yolo, but still not on the level where he's really competing against Noir.
He then follows up by refocusing a bit more on Noirs advantages and how they compare to Georges feats. I'm immediately finding this a lot easier to follow and a lot better contextualized than I was Yolo's first response. Noir's stealth does seem fairly potent to me in the context of this match. I think he also says a lot of the right things about St. Georges striking feats, calling out the materials involved and the amount of material that's destroyed in these feats. He then scales Black Noir to Soldier Boy's striking feats to shore up Noirs durability.
The section about Black Noir having experience with Homelander I think is kind of falling flat for me. For one thing, almost nothing for Homelander is actually linked. I get that we've all seen The Boys, but you can't just not quantify the scaling you're doing at all. Ultimately I buy the point that Noir would have some familiarity with Georges abilities, but I don't know how that actually translates to an advantage in round.
Yolo closes up by contextualizing what he actually thinks will happen in the fight- St. George needs to get inside striking distance to use a grapple, and Noir can disengage with his stealth or travel speed. I think Yolo is right that Noir faires better than George does here, and that most of Georges arsenal just isn't that threatening to Noir.
Overall, I think this response is an improvement over the first one.
Minnow then goes into attacking Noirs stealth and his willingness to target weak spots. These arguments seem less important to me- both parties agree that at least the smoke bomb works, and I don't think Noir particularly needs to target a weak spot to incap St. George. So either way, Noir still has stealth and a win con.
St. Georges striking is re-established; the best feat, minnow claims, is St. George breaking Cairax's teeth/ribs/sternum while injured, which is then scaled to...Cairax's teeth piercing well? I'm not sure what exactly this shows for St. Georges strength. He re-establishes that St. George can crush or tear apart Noir, which I think is better argumentation than "St. George will hit you with the environment" was.
A high point here is Minnow attacking the Homelander scaling. He points out that Noirs familiarity with Homelander mostly just accounts for why he can dodge Homelander in specific situations, and that Homelander one shots Noir either way. I think this is pretty much exactly right, I don't think the Homelander scaling brings much of benefit to Noir here.
Both parties agree that the fight is largely going to end up in melee. Minnow makes it seem overwhelmingly likely that Noir will land the first him. I'm not convinced that the fight needs to go much further than that; I haven't seen a good durability feat for George on the scale that Yolo is saying.
My view is still pretty unchanged. George's lifting/crushing feats are much better than Noirs, but Minnow is splitting his time and effort on trying to argue that George can win both a punch out and a grapple. I think a lot more of Minnows efforts in general would be better served by arguing up the lethality of that grapple, since it seems like far less of a losing battle than comparing "dents a car" or "breaks teeth that can bite through bullet proof people" to "shatters a concrete wall".
Noir is then scaled above Starlights physicals in a way that I think rounds him out well. I also buy that the blast he takes from Starlight is comparable to what damages the door, if not a 1:1 comparison. He follows up with a pretty solid take down of the Cairax scaling and how you can't scale in the way Minnow is attempting to do. Bizarrely, the crater feat he posts for St. George is the best one so far, and I'm kind of left thinking it's actually pretty comparable to Noir's though.
There's a pretty solid set of comparisons where Yolo really nails down that George just isn't striking on a level that Noir is, or really even that Kimiko or Starlight are, and sets the standard for Georges win condition as "never get hit" whereas Noirs is "hit George once."
He then ties up a series of mutual agreements from himself and Minnow- I'm going to point out that something like this is good to do, and it's why being overly thorough in early responses/rounds isn't always a good thing. Having your words quoted back to you is a powerful tool in these debates, and the less you say, the less opportunities you give others to do this to you. Keep in mind that the words you say in your first round can be quoted against you for the remainder of the tournament.
The big point here is that Noir is almost guaranteed to land at least one hit, and once that hit has been landed, there's just not a lot of room for George to recover.
There's some talk about Starlight and Cairax; essentially, "Starlight is weak and low end and Cairax is stronger than an animal". I don't know why this pillar cratering feat is coming up this late in the game, I agree that if he can damage the bones of someone who can take an impact like this he's probably got relevant striking to Noir. My opinion of Georges striking in general has gone up a bit from this response.
There's a comparison of George and Noirs striking done; I do still think that Noirs is ultimately superior, but by less of a margin than I did going in here. I also still am of the opinion that Noir has the better durability feats and is less likely to be stunlocked than George is. Minnow hammers home a bit more that Noir is unlikely to opt for stealth- I think some of these are setting very specific standards of a proof, like "Noir has only used them against Homelander so he would only use them against Homelander", or "he never uses them to hide from an opponent and then attack them". Noir seems prone to stealth enough that he would opt to use it if he could.
We end with St. George's ability to crush Noir being restated, and it being affirmed again that Noir will inevitably lose.
Black Noirs win condition was to punch out St. George, and the mechanism through which he is argued to do this is his stealth and speed letting him control the engagement, and his durability allowing him to absorb St. Georges hits.
St. George had two win conditions- crushing and striking. He was argued similarly to be able to do this because of his superior durability, and through arguing that Noir has less than perfect in character actions.
In my view, the fight mostly follows the points of "Does Noir use stealth" and "Who is strongemore durable?" Yolo did a good job of evidencing that Noir is inclined towards stealth, and that there is applicable context where he doesn't, then supplemented this with quoting Minnow agreeing that because of the smoke bomb, he's likely to get in at least one hit. Minnow tries to explain away the context, but i'm overall left with the impression that Noir will not actively pass up an opportunity to use stealth if it presents itself.
That leaves us with the physicals. I think Minnow split himself here. He had a big opportunity to really hammer on Noirs lack of ability to contend a grapple from George, from Yolo admitting as much in his first response. Instead of homing in on that, though, he spent as much or more time discussing St. George's ability to contend a punch out. I think there's an interpretation of George that can trade blows with Noir, but Yolo did a better job of controlling that part of the discussion, bringing up relevant antifeats and comparisons.
In my view:
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Yolo R1
Yolo starts with a stat post, then goes down what he views as a listing their advantages and disadvantages. He establishes Noir as having good striking feats, a variety of durabilities, some stealth, and being able to run/move fast and evade Homelander. I generally am left with a positive impression of Black Noir, though I wish more quantification was going into the Homelander scaling.I find the comparison of advantages and disadvantages to be somewhat disjointed. I understand the want to be thorough, but a lot of these points feel like they are ultimately irrelevant, and they're formatted in a way where i'm reading St. Georges advantages before I really even know what Black Noirs win condition is. Yolo is also doing a lot of Georges arguing for him- admitting immediately that Noir loses a grapple to George in particular, and that George can't be pierced by Noir feel like bad moves. As far as you know, Minnow never would have thought to argue those points, and now they're ceded in his favor.
My opinion right now is that Noir is stronger than George in striking but weaker in lifting/grappling, and neither is self evidently superior to the other in speed. So George is disadvantaged, but still has a win condition. Both seem to have soft advantages (flight vs. stealth) and tactics that don't work (piercing and fire breath), Noirs just seem slightly more relevant with what's established to me.
Minnow R1
Follows Yolos formatting, stat posts and then advantage/disadvantage comparison. St. George comes off as physically weaker than Noir and physically weak for the tier to me. The feats for damaging small amounts of bricks or denting cars don't really stack up to the massive damage to concrete posted for Noir. He does benefit a lot from having very solid lifting feats, but the main mechanism posted for him to use them is for him to swing Noir into walls and structures. The secondary features he has like fire breath and flight don't seem that useful to me, largely because they aren't quantified; idk how hot the fire is or how fast he can fly.In general I kinda find myself thinking that Minnow is asserting a lot of things without evidence. For example, he'll post "Cairax is stronger than Black Noir" to dismiss Cairax hurting George as an antifeat, but then there's no real comparison done between the feats to make Cairax stronger, and the feats themselves don't seem to support that interpretation.
Some of the arguments I find myself buying right now are that Noir dodging Homelander isn't that impressive of a feat because he's using distractions to evade someone he's familiar with, and that the Starlight feat isn't a good showing for Noirs durability because she's charged up in one feat and not in the other, and that things like stealth and weak points aren't tactics Noir would go for immediately.
I'm still of a similar opinion to after Yolo's first response; Noir I think is advantaged here, but in theory George can still win if he gets Noir in a grapple early. I think overall St. George is a bit stronger than portrayed by Yolo, but still not on the level where he's really competing against Noir.
Yolo R2
Yolo opens by essentially saying that if Noir cannot hurt St. George, then neither can the tier setter, and thus George is either not in tier or would lose to Noir, because their offense is comparable. I think this is good in that it attempts to lock Minnow into an interpretation of his character, but it's also assuming that George is in tier on the basis of Tierminators striking, which is not necessarily the case.He then follows up by refocusing a bit more on Noirs advantages and how they compare to Georges feats. I'm immediately finding this a lot easier to follow and a lot better contextualized than I was Yolo's first response. Noir's stealth does seem fairly potent to me in the context of this match. I think he also says a lot of the right things about St. Georges striking feats, calling out the materials involved and the amount of material that's destroyed in these feats. He then scales Black Noir to Soldier Boy's striking feats to shore up Noirs durability.
The section about Black Noir having experience with Homelander I think is kind of falling flat for me. For one thing, almost nothing for Homelander is actually linked. I get that we've all seen The Boys, but you can't just not quantify the scaling you're doing at all. Ultimately I buy the point that Noir would have some familiarity with Georges abilities, but I don't know how that actually translates to an advantage in round.
Yolo closes up by contextualizing what he actually thinks will happen in the fight- St. George needs to get inside striking distance to use a grapple, and Noir can disengage with his stealth or travel speed. I think Yolo is right that Noir faires better than George does here, and that most of Georges arsenal just isn't that threatening to Noir.
Overall, I think this response is an improvement over the first one.
Minnow R2
Minnow defends his tier status and says that he's St. George is in tier on the basis of Tierminators's lifting strength, and that neither Tierminator nor Minnow could hurt St. George with their striking feats due to St. Georges car based interactions. I think this is more of the same I took issue with last round, St. George is generally just called Better without any real backing. Personally, I don't think any of St. Georges feats are more impressive than Noirs concrete interactions, and without Minnow giving me a reason why they would be, it's pretty much still Noirs fight to lose. Worse still, I'm seeing a lot of times that links just seem to be wrong- I don't know how, for instance, a scan of St. George saying he would lose a fight to Spider-Man is relevant against Noir.Minnow then goes into attacking Noirs stealth and his willingness to target weak spots. These arguments seem less important to me- both parties agree that at least the smoke bomb works, and I don't think Noir particularly needs to target a weak spot to incap St. George. So either way, Noir still has stealth and a win con.
St. Georges striking is re-established; the best feat, minnow claims, is St. George breaking Cairax's teeth/ribs/sternum while injured, which is then scaled to...Cairax's teeth piercing well? I'm not sure what exactly this shows for St. Georges strength. He re-establishes that St. George can crush or tear apart Noir, which I think is better argumentation than "St. George will hit you with the environment" was.
A high point here is Minnow attacking the Homelander scaling. He points out that Noirs familiarity with Homelander mostly just accounts for why he can dodge Homelander in specific situations, and that Homelander one shots Noir either way. I think this is pretty much exactly right, I don't think the Homelander scaling brings much of benefit to Noir here.
Both parties agree that the fight is largely going to end up in melee. Minnow makes it seem overwhelmingly likely that Noir will land the first him. I'm not convinced that the fight needs to go much further than that; I haven't seen a good durability feat for George on the scale that Yolo is saying.
My view is still pretty unchanged. George's lifting/crushing feats are much better than Noirs, but Minnow is splitting his time and effort on trying to argue that George can win both a punch out and a grapple. I think a lot more of Minnows efforts in general would be better served by arguing up the lethality of that grapple, since it seems like far less of a losing battle than comparing "dents a car" or "breaks teeth that can bite through bullet proof people" to "shatters a concrete wall".
Yolo R3
Yolo opens with a solid set of rebuttals about Noirs willingness to use stealth. I don't find myself disagreeing with any of these arguments, Noir may not necessarily open with stealth (I don't think it's required here) but I do think he's likely to use it if its an avenue he sees.Noir is then scaled above Starlights physicals in a way that I think rounds him out well. I also buy that the blast he takes from Starlight is comparable to what damages the door, if not a 1:1 comparison. He follows up with a pretty solid take down of the Cairax scaling and how you can't scale in the way Minnow is attempting to do. Bizarrely, the crater feat he posts for St. George is the best one so far, and I'm kind of left thinking it's actually pretty comparable to Noir's though.
There's a pretty solid set of comparisons where Yolo really nails down that George just isn't striking on a level that Noir is, or really even that Kimiko or Starlight are, and sets the standard for Georges win condition as "never get hit" whereas Noirs is "hit George once."
He then ties up a series of mutual agreements from himself and Minnow- I'm going to point out that something like this is good to do, and it's why being overly thorough in early responses/rounds isn't always a good thing. Having your words quoted back to you is a powerful tool in these debates, and the less you say, the less opportunities you give others to do this to you. Keep in mind that the words you say in your first round can be quoted against you for the remainder of the tournament.
The big point here is that Noir is almost guaranteed to land at least one hit, and once that hit has been landed, there's just not a lot of room for George to recover.
Minnow R3
We start sort of continuing the back and forth here on the stealth here. Minnow then calls him on being willing to tank attacks again, and that he benefits from familiarity in a lot of this scaling, all to say that Noir is unlikely to disengage or dodge here. I kind of find a lot of this point less important; I think Noir could disengage, but none of this prevents what is Yolo's core win con at this point, I.E. "punch once."There's some talk about Starlight and Cairax; essentially, "Starlight is weak and low end and Cairax is stronger than an animal". I don't know why this pillar cratering feat is coming up this late in the game, I agree that if he can damage the bones of someone who can take an impact like this he's probably got relevant striking to Noir. My opinion of Georges striking in general has gone up a bit from this response.
There's a comparison of George and Noirs striking done; I do still think that Noirs is ultimately superior, but by less of a margin than I did going in here. I also still am of the opinion that Noir has the better durability feats and is less likely to be stunlocked than George is. Minnow hammers home a bit more that Noir is unlikely to opt for stealth- I think some of these are setting very specific standards of a proof, like "Noir has only used them against Homelander so he would only use them against Homelander", or "he never uses them to hide from an opponent and then attack them". Noir seems prone to stealth enough that he would opt to use it if he could.
We end with St. George's ability to crush Noir being restated, and it being affirmed again that Noir will inevitably lose.
Conclusion
Yolo/Black Noir wins.Black Noirs win condition was to punch out St. George, and the mechanism through which he is argued to do this is his stealth and speed letting him control the engagement, and his durability allowing him to absorb St. Georges hits.
St. George had two win conditions- crushing and striking. He was argued similarly to be able to do this because of his superior durability, and through arguing that Noir has less than perfect in character actions.
In my view, the fight mostly follows the points of "Does Noir use stealth" and "Who is strongemore durable?" Yolo did a good job of evidencing that Noir is inclined towards stealth, and that there is applicable context where he doesn't, then supplemented this with quoting Minnow agreeing that because of the smoke bomb, he's likely to get in at least one hit. Minnow tries to explain away the context, but i'm overall left with the impression that Noir will not actively pass up an opportunity to use stealth if it presents itself.
That leaves us with the physicals. I think Minnow split himself here. He had a big opportunity to really hammer on Noirs lack of ability to contend a grapple from George, from Yolo admitting as much in his first response. Instead of homing in on that, though, he spent as much or more time discussing St. George's ability to contend a punch out. I think there's an interpretation of George that can trade blows with Noir, but Yolo did a better job of controlling that part of the discussion, bringing up relevant antifeats and comparisons.
In my view:
- Both people agree that they are likely to come to blows.
- Noir has the better striking feats and better durability.
- Noir is more likely to get the first hit and can potentially disengage with stealth.
- This paints Noir as the victor more often than not in my eyes.
Character Thoughts:
- St. George: I started with a fairly low opinion of George which improved over time. If you run this character, that pillar feat is going to be your best friend. Ultimately, here he suffered from a lack of clear cut durability feats against punches. If you can find a way to shore that up, I think you have a solid character on your hands.
- Black Noir: I think this is just a solid character all around. I don't think you really need to mess around with the Homelander stuff much, he doesn't really need to be fast to be effective. His striking feats and durabilties + his likeliness to abuse stealth will likely get you pretty far just on their own merit.
2023.06.05 07:36 scarlet2248 Wedding Venue in The US: Our Recommendation Part II
Popular wedding venues in the western and central states were featured in Part 1 of US wedding venues. So in part two, we'll focus on wedding venues in the eastern states. Whether it's a luxurious hotel, a rustic barn, or a spacious meadow, all are included. Again, the features of these venues and the approximate prices will be written. Let's explore these beautiful wedding venues!
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Finally, we've rounded up our recommendations for wedding venues in each of the remaining states. Choosing the perfect wedding venue is an important step in creating your dream wedding. It sets the tone for the entire celebration and provides the backdrop for your special day. No matter what style of wedding venue you prefer, there is a venue above that perfectly suits your style and preferences.
Last but not least, don't forget to check out Quictent's wedding tent. we offer quality wedding tents for your outdoor wedding, containing various types and sizes.
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Wisconsin Wedding Venues
The Paine Art Center and Gardens
This is an art museum located at 1410 Algoma Blvd, Oshkosh. It is an English-style country estate and has nearly four acres of gardens. It has perennial plants and is a great outdoor ceremony venue. Also, there is a historic mansion, charming carriage house, and greenhouse. The venue can accommodate up to 200 people and costs approximately $3000 to $4000 For 100 Guests.The Lageret
This is a professional event venue located at 515 E Main St, Stoughton. This historic venue offers industrial and rustic charm with exposed brick walls, high ceilings, and wood beams. It has ample space for ceremonies and receptions. The venue offers event coordination, customizable lighting options, a bridal suite, and access to preferred vendors. Accommodations for up to 250 people start at $3,500 for a 12-hour rental.The Enchanted Barn
Located at 1543 6 1/2 Ave, Hillsdale, this barn has an old-world rustic atmosphere around every corner. Featuring several indoor and outdoor venues, one of the most popular ceremony locations is located in Barn's upper-level Hayloft, featuring old wood timbers. Several wedding package options are available here and can accommodate up to 220 people. Off-season all-inclusive wedding packages are $5,000 plus $21 per person.Illinois Wedding Venues
Danada House
This is a historic mansion located at 3S501 Naperville Rd, Wheaton. a short drive from Chicago. The mansion is also surrounded by a forest preserve that allows for nature-filled photos. There are seven ceremony locations in total, and the largest Magnolia Garden can accommodate up to 300 guests. Venue rentals start at $3,500.The Morton Arboretum
This is a public nature garden and outdoor museum located at 4100 IL-53, Lisle. Inside there are not only mature trees and flowers but also a playground for children. Offering beautiful woodland and lakeside views. The large garden has a total of 12 venues to choose from and the largest room can accommodate up to 300 guests. Prices range from $600 to $9,000 depending on the size of the room and the time of year it is held.Salvage One
Located at 1840 W Hubbard St, Chicago, this is a very unique location that serves as a store besides being a wedding venue. It preserves treasured furniture from the past. This old Chicago warehouse offers an enchanting vintage atmosphere. The ceremony and banquet space can accommodate about 200 people and space rentals start at $4,000.Kentucky Wedding Venues
The Barn at Cedar Grove
The address is 1000 Brockman Keltner Rd, Greensburg, which has a rustic barn setting with picturesque scenery. Offering outdoor ceremony space, climate-controlled reception space, bridal suite, groom's quarters, and fire pit. The venue in the barn can accommodate up to 230 people. For fewer guests, the average budget for a wedding here is between $6,000 and $9,000.The Brown Hotel
This 100-year-old hotel is located at 335 W Broadway, Louisville. The hotel has a striking Georgian Revival look and offers elegant ballrooms, luxurious accommodations, and a gorgeous rooftop garden. The hotel also has extensive experience in hosting weddings of different cultures, such as Jewish and Indian weddings. Prices are $18,000 in the off-season and can accommodate up to 300 guests.Talon Winery & Vineyards
This winery has a large outdoor space at 7086 Tates Creek Rd, Lexington. Offers vineyard and winery backdrop, outdoor ceremony space, and rustic barn. The best part is the wine-tasting and vineyard tours. The venue can accommodate up to 250 guests and prices for ceremonies start at $1500.Tennessee Wedding Venues
Butterfly Hollow
Located at 28 Bussell Rd, Gordonsville, our vacation accommodations are perfect for small weddings. Surrounded by scenic walking trails, mountains, and woods. This venue specializes in small weddings of 30 people or less, with a focus on an intimate and cozy experience. Wedding packages range from $1795 to $5000.Dixon Gallery and Gardens
An art gallery on 17 acres of gardens located at 4339 Park Ave, Memphis, offers a romantic and artistic setting for weddings. The gallery offers two indoor reception venues as well as woodlands and gardens, both of which can accommodate up to 200 guests. Prices are approximately $4000 to $5000 For 100 guests.The Bell Tower
The Bell Tower, located at 400 4th Ave S, Nashville, is almost 140 years old. The ballroom features large windows that provide plenty of natural light, creating a charming and historic setting for weddings. There are two floors beside the lobby. Seated dinners for up to 400 people range from $3,500 to $16,000 depending on time and venue.Mississippi Wedding Venues
The Cedars
The site at 4145 Old Canton Rd, Jackson is the oldest residential building in Jackson, with a history of 175 years. The courtyard in front of the house with trees such as cedar, oak, and magnolia provides a natural backdrop for weddings. The venue can accommodate up to 300 people and costs $3,500 for a two-day weekend rental.Dunleith Historic Inn
A National Historic Landmark located at 84 Homochitto St, Natchez, the mansion features Greek Revival columns and original pine floors. The event space has a main floor, courtyard, and South Lawn, which can accommodate up to 700 people. Wedding packages start at $6,500, not including catering.The Gin at Flora Station
The address is 4819 MS-22, Flora. The refurbished cotton gin blends rustic charm with modern amenities. It offers indoor and outdoor spaces, including a covered gazebo and a patio with an old-fashioned truck bar. Rentals for ceremonies and receptions start at $3,500.Alabama Wedding Venues
B&A Warehouse
This building, located at 1531 1st Ave S, Birmingham, is historic from the outside. With its industrial-inspired design and high ceilings along with red brick walls. Three indoor venues can accommodate up to 300 guests, and the cost of a ceremony starts at $4,000.The Sterling Castle
This castle is located at 389 Deseret Dr, Shelby, and has been voted the best wedding venue in Alabama. The fairytale-style castle, elegant ballroom, charming courtyard, and lakeside and drawbridge venues. This beautiful venue can accommodate up to 300 guests and all-inclusive weddings are priced at $10,000+.Huntsville Museum of Art
This is an art museum located at 300 Church St SW, Huntsville. With unique indoor and outdoor spaces, the museum is a contemporary art gallery. Offering outdoor spaces with a rooftop terrace, and five indoor hospitality venues. The starting venue fee for a wedding reception in high season is $1,500.Michigan Wedding Venues
Colony Club Detroit
Located at 2310 Park Ave, Detroit, this Georgian-style, historic venue features stunning architecture and gorgeous interiors. The hotel features a grand ballroom decorated with crystal chandeliers and intricate details. The ballroom can accommodate up to 350 guests and is priced between $12,000 and $15,000.Castle Farms
This historic building, built in 1918, is located at 5052 M-66, Charlevoix. With a total of four site combinations in the summer. It offers several ceremony and reception spaces, including a charming outdoor garden and a majestic stone courtyard. The largest of these, the East Garden and Queen's Courtyard can host up to 300 guests. And the price range is between $6,750 and $9,250.The Inn at Stonecliffe
This is a Victorian village located at 8593 Cudahy Cir, Mackinac Island. away from the hustle and bustle of the area. With beautiful gardens and breathtaking views of Lake Huron and the Mackinaw Bridge. Accommodates up to 300 people and prices range from $4000 to $10,000.Ohio Wedding Venues
Franklin Park Conservatory
This is a horticultural and educational institution located at 1777 E Broad St, Columbus. The most popular venue is the indoor garden with an all-glass ceiling. Besides, there is an industrial-style venue and a 200-year-old barn. The venue has plenty of space and can accommodate up to 500 people, with prices ranging from $7,000 to $11,000 for a wedding of 100 guests.The Columbus Athenaeum
The historic building at 32 N 4th St, Columbus, was built in 1899. With a total of ten venues to choose from, the Grand Ballroom boasts gorgeous details and a stunning atrium. It is decorated with classical Greek art as well as soaring ornate ceilings. It can accommodate up to 230 guests. Prices for receptions start at $3,000.Gervasi Vineyard
An oversized wine estate located at 1700 55th St NE, Canton. Picturesque vineyard setting and sparkling lake views. The open-air venue can accommodate up to 300 people, while the indoor venue can accommodate up to 120 guests. Full-service event planning, vineyard tours, and wine tastings are available. Prices for receptions will start at $1,450.Georgia Wedding Venues
Barnsley Resort
This resort is located at 597 Barnsley Gardens Rd NW, Adairsville. With over 3,000 acres of land, it is a historic southern estate. With lush gardens, luxurious cabins, and grounds that can accommodate up to 250 people. Three wedding packages are available: $275 per person, $320 per person, and $350 per person. And a least of 150 people is required.Summerour Studio
This is a renovated warehouse located at 409 Bishop St NW, Atlanta. The roof is supported by massive bow trusses, which allow for a spacious, open floor plan without columns or supports. Through a wall of windows running the length of the space, there are breathtaking views of Atlantic Station and the downtown skyline. Accommodating up to 425 people, prices start at $4,000.The Biltmore Ballrooms
The ballroom is located at 817 W Peachtree St NW 208, Atlanta, and was established in 1924. The ballroom features a handcrafted plaster relief ceiling, ornate crystal lighting, and a marble floor. Capacity ranges from 50 to 1,500 people and offers eleven caterers. Rental rates range from $3,500 to $5,000, depending on the day of the week.Florida Wedding Venues
The Ancient Spanish Monastery
Located at 16711 W Dixie Hwy, North Miami Beach. This monastery was dismantled piece by piece from northern Spain and shipped to the United States, then rebuilt over 19 months. It offers a chapel and gardens for ceremonies. The garden can accommodate up to 300 guests for $6,500 and includes only the cost of the reception.The Breakers Palm Beach
This is a luxury resort located at 1 S County Rd, Palm Beach. This luxury resort is located in Palm Beach and enjoys magnificent beachfront views, lush gardens, and an exquisite ballroom. It boasts a timeless and elegant ambiance. It can host weddings for a maximum of less than 500 people, and detailed prices need to be communicated with the hotel.The Ringling Museum
The museum is located at 5401 Bay Shore Rd, Sarasota, with a breathtaking view of Sarasota Bay. This venue offers unique views of art, culture, and the stunning waterfront. It includes many event spaces, including a large courtyard and an elegant ballroom. The largest art gallery courtyard can accommodate up to 125 guests and prices start at $20,000.New York Wedding Venues
Mohonk Mountain House
Located at 1000 Mountain Rest Rd, New Paltz, this historic resort is surrounded by 40,000 acres of pristine forest. Featuring a majestic Victorian castle with panoramic mountain views. Choose from lakeside, garden, and mountain views for your ceremony. Wedding packages range from $275 to $375 per person.The Foundry
The address is 42-38 9th Street, Long Island City, with a history dating back to the 19th century. Offering an industrial chic atmosphere, a garden courtyard and conservatory, a stunning main space, plus rustic interiors. Accommodates up to 180 guests, with receptions starting at $14,000.The Garrison
Estate at 2015 US-9, Garrison, with superb Hudson River views and Catskill Mountain views. The venue offers a modern ballroom, outdoor ceremony space, and golf course. The venue can accommodate up to 200 guests for $12,000.Pennsylvania Wedding Venues
The Curtis Atrium
The historic building at 699 Walnut St, Philadelphia used to be the Curtis Publishing Company. It is now a building with a mix of residential, office, and retail space. It features a stunning atrium, marble columns, and a stunning rotunda. Space rentals start at $8,000.The Cork Factory Hotel
This boutique hotel is located at 480 New Holland Ave 3000, Lancaster, a converted historic cork mill with exposed brick walls. Offering industrial charm and modern amenities. The venue has a ballroom, a terrace, and a 2,300-square-foot warehouse. Space is available for up to 200 guests, and wedding packages start at $7,000.Terrain Gardens at Devon Yard
A stunning garden is located at 138 W Lancaster Ave Suite 130, Devon. The venue is decorated with elements such as reclaimed barn wood floors, raised holiday lights, and skylights to create a unique aesthetic. Of course, there is an essential gardening setting and open-air venue that can accommodate up to 140 guests. Prices for receptions start at $4,525.West Virginia Wedding Venues
Stonewall Resort
The entire resort is nestled beside a tranquil lake at 940 Resort Drive Roanoke, a place of scenic beauty and rustic charm. Wedding venues are available on the lakeside lawn or in the courtyard, with an indoor grand hall and stone-walled ballroom. Spa services, golf courses, and entertainment can also be experienced with wedding packages ranging from $3,500 to $12,000.The Greenbrier
A luxury resort located at 101 W Main St, White Sulphur Springs. With stunning architecture, beautiful gardens, and breathtaking mountain views. The indoor venue has a dramatic chandelier and stage. The outdoor grounds feature expansive lawns and rustic cabins. Packages start at $10,000 and vary depending on the number of guests, season, and customization.Sleepy Hollow Golf Club
The Club at 3780 Sleepy Hollow Dr, Hurricane. It is a private golf club for families. Featuring a scenic golf course, elegant ballroom, outdoor lawn ceremony venue, and picturesque countryside views. Wedding packages start at $3,500.Virginia Wedding Venues
Maymont
Historic Manor River Park at 1700 Hampton St, Richmond. Inside are gardens, botanical gardens, and native wildlife habitats. The scenic setting includes 100-year-old Italian gardens, European-style manor houses, pavilions, expansive lawns, and the Robbins Nature Center. Prices range from $3,500 to $6,100.Inn At Willow Grove
This is a rustic accommodation located at 14079 Plantation Way, Orange. It is unusually peaceful and romantic, surrounded by ancient trees and beautiful gardens. One of the gardens, Boxwood, can accommodate up to 175 guests and offers idyllic views. A versatile barn is also available as a hospitality venue, with rates starting at $7,500.The Tides Inn
Located at 480 King Carter Dr, Irvington, the entire hotel is situated on a beautiful body of water with views of the Chesapeake Bay. It is a waterfront resort. You can also come here to take part in fun activities such as tennis, golf, paddle boarding, biking, and kayaking. Weddings start at $3,100.North Carolina Wedding Venues
The Bradford
Professional wedding venue located at 523 Pea Ridge Rd, New Hill. It resembles a European town building with charming gardens and rustic barns. It can accommodate up to 250 guests for a ceremony in the gardens. Wedding packages will vary depending on the time of year and are priced at $8,000 on Fridays and $9,800 on Saturdays.The Merrimon-Wynne House
The mansion located at 500 N Blount St, Raleigh was built in 1876 and has been well maintained and is now a venue for various events. The building has a main floor full of Southern charm. Inside are original floors and mantelshelves, ornate chandeliers, and a wide porch. The outdoor area is also large enough to host ceremonies in the garden and can accommodate up to 250 guests. Prices for receptions start at $5,000.Fearrington Village
It's an English-style country hotel located at 2000 Fearrington Village Center. Besides the quaint country setting there are dense gardens with water features. The largest venue is the barn, which offers spacious dining and dancing space and can accommodate up to 250 people guests. Prices for ceremonies start at $2500.South Carolina Wedding Venues
Middleton Place
This National Historic Landmark is located at 4300 Ashley River Rd, Charleston. You can experience daily life on an 18th-century plantation and enjoy 65 acres of unobstructed views and private garden rooms. Also, enjoy the oldest landscaped gardens on the property. There are 7 ceremony venues, ranging from small weddings of 50 to 400 guests. Prices start at $5,000.William Aiken House
The 1807 mansion is located at 456 King St, Charleston, a restored mansion that showcases Southern charm and architectural elegance. The yard features a magnolia tree that is over two hundred years old and an elegant terrace. It is also rated as one of South Carolina's premier wedding venues. The cost of a ceremony starts at $3,000.The Cedar Room
Modern industrial event space at 701 E Bay St, Charleston. Featuring exposed brick walls, high ceilings, and large windows overlooking the cityscape. The indoor Cedar Room venue can accommodate up to 500 people for events, and the outdoor yard can seat up to 200. Events on Fridays or Sundays start at $3,500.Vermont Wedding Venues
Inn at Mountain View Farm
The Inn at 3383 Darling Hill Rd, East Burke, has breathtaking mountaintop views. Enjoy mountain biking, cross-country skiing, and visits to animal farms, among many other activities. Venues can range from beautiful fields to cozy campfires. Weekend wedding packages start at $3,500.Hildene - The Lincoln Family Home
The building at 1005 Hildene Rd, Manchester is full of meaning. The Lincolns built Hildene as a summer home at the turn of the 20th century. Here you can look out over the Taconic Mountains to the west and the Green Mountains to the east. The outdoor venue can accommodate up to 200 people and wedding reception prices start at $8,000.📷
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The Henry House
The historic house at 1338 Murphy Rd, North Bennington, built in 1769, is one of the oldest surviving houses in Vermont. Overlooks the authentic red-covered Henry Bridge. The site offers several vendors for you to consider. The large trees outside the house make for the best wedding photos. The venue needs to be contacted for a specific quote.Massachusetts Wedding Venues
The Crane Estate
This is a Tudor Revival mansion located at 290 Argilla Rd, Ipswich. It was the summer home of Mr. and Mrs. Richard Taylor Crane, Jr. with winding salt marshes, miles of barrier beaches, and a beautiful hilltop mansion. And of course the rolling lawns and gardens. There are three sites to choose from in all, with the beachfront site accommodating 200 to 500 people. Weekend weddings are priced at $6500.Red Lion Inn
The Inn at 30 Main St, Stockbridge has a 250-year history. The entire Inn combines traditional New England hospitality with the amenities of a modern hotel. The largest Hitchcock room capacity is capacity 30-175 people. Venue rentals start at $4,000.Liberty Hotel
A sophisticated hotel located at 215 Charles St, Boston. Located in the heart of downtown, just steps from shopping, dining, Boston Parks, and more. The hotel offers a private secret garden that can accommodate up to 200 people outdoors and an indoor 3000-square-foot ballroom. Wedding venue rates start at $26,000 for up to 100 guests.Connecticut Wedding Venues
The Lace Factory
This historic factory is located at 161 River St, Deep River, and offers a charming and rustic atmosphere for a wedding venue. It has wood floors, high ceilings, and large windows overlooking the river. The Lace Factory offers event planning services, on-site catering, and a variety of rental options for weddings of all sizes. The Factory can accommodate up to 225 people and prices start at $5,000.Eolia Mansion at Harkness State
The address is 275 Great Neck Rd, Waterford. Nestled on the shoreline of Waterford, Connecticut, this elegant mansion offers breathtaking views of Long Island Sound. It has manicured gardens, a stone terrace, and a beautiful ballroom. The price of $5,100 includes exclusive use of the mansion's first floor and south courtyard tent for 5 hours.The Society Room of Hartford
This event venue is located at 31 Pratt St, Hartford, and the historic venue boasts magnificent architecture. It includes a marble staircase, beautifully frescoed ceilings, and crystal chandeliers. It provides a luxurious and timeless setting for weddings. The venue can accommodate up to 300 guests and prices start at 15,000.New Hampshire Wedding Venues
Wentworth By The Sea Country Club
Country Club at 60 Wentworth Rd, Rye. This private club is near the shore and enjoys magnificent waterfront views and a romantic atmosphere. The hotel has manicured grounds and a historic clubhouse. It can accommodate up to 250 guests in this setting. Three options are available: lawn, clubhouse, and tent weddings. Reception prices start at $30,000.The Preserve at Chocorua
This venue, located at 88 Philbrick Neighborhood Rd, Tamworth, is a rustic and secluded wedding venue nestled in the White Mountains. It offers scenic views, a charming barn, and plenty of outdoor space for the ceremony. Outdoor activities such as sleigh rides and hiking are also available. Approximate prices will start at $1000.Bishop Farm
The Farmhouse, located at 33 Bishop Cutoff, Lisbon, is a historic and beautifully landscaped site in the White Mountains. It offers a restored 1876 farmhouse, a barn, and lush greenery. There is also a romantic bistro with a terrace to relax in. Accommodating up to 200 guests, prices start at $15,000.Rhode Island Wedding Venues
The Chanler at Cliff Walk
A luxury hotel located at 117 Memorial Blvd, Newport. The Chanler offers luxurious accommodations and a grand mansion setting with stunning views of the Atlantic Ocean and access to their world-class restaurant. Specializing in weddings for up to 120 guests with access to their world-class restaurant. Site rentals start at $10,000.Blithewold Mansion, Gardens & Arboretum
Historic mansion on 33 acres located at 101 Ferry Rd, Bristol with breathtaking views of Narragansett Bay. Large tents are available in the outdoor area, followed by sunset views. Accommodating up to 225 guests, weekend wedding rates start at $12,995.The Dorrance
Situated in the heart of Providence, The Dorrance is a restored bank building with a sophisticated atmosphere and elegant decor. The most special feature is the long, luxurious bar, which can accommodate up to 200 guests throughout the venue. Venue rentals start at $7,500.New Jersey Wedding Venues
The Ashford Estate
Located at 637 Province Line Rd, Allentown, this elegant property is nestled in a picturesque setting. Surrounded by hundreds of acres of beautifully preserved farmland, it features sparkling fountains, waterfalls, garden pavilions, expansive views, and of course, luxurious private suites. The wedding venue can accommodate up to 300 guests. Starting at $10,000.Mallard Island Yacht Club
A club surrounded by water at 1450 NJ-72, Manahawkin. six more venues to choose from in the luxurious private island mansion. The center plaza boasts grand arches and ornate ceilings reminiscent of old-world glamour. The ballroom can accommodate up to 250 people, and prices for receptions start at $20,000.Liberty House Restaurant & Events
This waterfront event venue is located at 76 Audrey Zapp Dr, Jersey City. It features unparalleled views of the New York City skyline, Ellis Island, the Statue of Liberty, and the Liberty Landing Pier. The Grand Ballroom features a marble floor and floor-to-ceiling windows. The venue can accommodate up to 300 people and venue rental fees start at $8,000.Delaware Wedding Venues
The Queen Wilmington
This dazzling venue is located at 500 N Market St, Wilmington is downtown. It is a historic music venue that offers a unique and eclectic atmosphere. The venue features a grand ballroom with a stage, state-of-the-art sound system, and elegant décor. The venue can accommodate up to 200 guests and wedding reception prices start from $3,000.The Cordrey Center
The address is 30366 Cordrey Rd, Millsboro, and its restored barn and surrounding gardens provide a rustic and charming setting. The venue offers a range of services, including in-house catering, bar service, and event coordination. It has indoor and outdoor options and can accommodate up to 200 guests. Venue rental rates start at $3,500.The Waterfall Catering and Special Events
With an address at 3416 Philadelphia Pike, Claymont, The Waterfall has a modern venue. Centered around a stunning indoor waterfall. The spacious ballroom features contemporary décor and customizable LED lighting systems. The venue can accommodate up to 500 guests. Prices for venue rentals start at $6,000.Maryland Wedding Venues
Belvedere Hotel
Located at 1 East Chase Street and built-in 1902 as a historic landmark in Baltimore, The Belvedere showcases stunning architecture and classic charm. It offers a variety of event spaces, including a rooftop ballroom with panoramic views of the city. Inside, the décor is more vintage and ornate. Accommodating up to 500 guests, venue rentals start at $8,000.Evergreen Museum & Library
This grand Gilded Age mansion is located at 4545 N Charles St, Baltimore. It is full of history with a house museum and research library. With beautiful gardens, this venue offers a mix of elegance and history. It's architectural details and scenic surroundings provide a unique backdrop. As well as a tour of the museum's collection. Accommodates up to 200 guests and starts at $6,000.Chesapeake Bay Beach Club
Located at 500 Marina Club Rd, Stevensville, this venue offers stunning waterfront views and an elegant ballroom. It also has an oceanfront ceremony venue and luxurious accommodations. There are four ballrooms in total, three indoor and one outdoor. Accommodations for up to 300 guests start at $10,000.District of Columbia Wedding Venues
Larz Anderson House
Located at 2118 Massachusetts Ave NW, Washington, the Anderson House, established in 1905, is a stunning Beaux-Arts mansion that offers a romantic and intimate setting for weddings. The venue features beautiful gardens, a grand staircase, and gorgeous rooms decorated with historic artwork. It can accommodate up to 200 guests and has access to the house's magnificent library. Prices start from $8,000.The Hay-Adams
Located at 800 16th St NW, Washington, across from the White House, the hotel offers magnificent views of the iconic landmark. This venue has many event spaces, including a rooftop terrace from which the White House can be used as a photo backdrop. Wedding venues can accommodate up to 250 guests and prices start at $15,000.National Museum of Women in the Arts
Located at 1250 New York Ave NW, Washington, this unique venue celebrates women artists and offers a distinctive setting for weddings. With its stunning architecture and world-class art collection, it provides an exquisite atmosphere for your special day. The venue offers a variety of event spaces, including an assembly hall and mezzanine level, and can accommodate up to 400 guests. However, the museum is temporarily closed for renovations.Maine Wedding Venues
Hidden Pond
The resort's address is 354 Goose Rocks Rd, Kennebunkport, and is nestled in a secluded wooded area. Featuring elegant indoor and outdoor spaces. Surrounded by 60 acres of birch and balsam fir, it features two outdoor pools and a three-room treetop spa. It ensures an unforgettable wedding experience. Prices start from US$10,000.Hardy Farm
The farm is located at 254 W Fryeburg Rd, Fryeburg. This rustic and chic site features a restored 18th-century farmhouse and a spacious barn with panoramic mountain views. Of course, there are also seasonal gardens and a woodland church. The most special feature is the provision of a cable car to reach the top of the mountain, which is also a popular backdrop for photos. It can accommodate up to 250 guests and prices start from $6,500.Portland Regency Hotel & Spa
The address is 20 Milk St, Portland, and is centrally located, offering a blend of classic elegance and modern amenities. With many event spaces, on-site catering, and a spa, it can accommodate intimate and large weddings. Accommodations range from 10 to 220 guests, with rates starting at $3,500.Conclusion
"When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible." When Harry Met SallyFinally, we've rounded up our recommendations for wedding venues in each of the remaining states. Choosing the perfect wedding venue is an important step in creating your dream wedding. It sets the tone for the entire celebration and provides the backdrop for your special day. No matter what style of wedding venue you prefer, there is a venue above that perfectly suits your style and preferences.
Last but not least, don't forget to check out Quictent's wedding tent. we offer quality wedding tents for your outdoor wedding, containing various types and sizes.
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Wednesday, Jun 7, 2023
| Mike's Dead, The Haunt | Level 13 - Orlando |
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| Within Chaos, Eyes Sewn Shut, Automatik Fit | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
| Jameson Tank, Parks & Razz, Outer Edge Band | 1904 Music Hall - Jacksonville |
| Subhumans, UpChuck, gilt | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
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| Grass is Dead, The Coppertones | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
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| Halo Scars, Mind Virus, Cypher Machine, Re-Birth | Brass Mug - Tampa |
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| Maul, Tombstoner, Plasmodulated | Conduit - Winter Park |
| Downswing, Falsifier, Bottomfeeders | Manna Tea & Kava Bar - Sarasota |
| My Children My Bride, Extortionist, No Cure | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Bury Your Dead, Thirst, Edict | Tipsy Tiki - Fort Pierce |
| Maul, Tombstoner | Brass Mug - Tampa |
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| Spotlights, Skyliner, The Darling Fire | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
| Halocene, Lauren Babic, Alphamega | Hooch & Hive - Tampa |
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| Drain, Drug Church, Magnitude, Gel | Brass Mug - Tampa |
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| Halocene, Lauren Babic, Alphamega | Level 13 - Orlando |
| The Convalescence, Summoner's Circle | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
| pulses., With Sails Ahead, I Met A Yeti | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| Halocene, Lauren Babic, Alphamega | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
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| Roxx, Re-Birth, Cyber Machine, Haloscars | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Hollow Leg, Clamfight, Moat Cobra | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| Every Avenue, Makeout, Say We Can Fly | Orpheum - Tampa |
| Crossbreed, Cultus Black, Cypher machine, Davey Partain | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Defy the Tyrant, Losing Daylight, Shadow the Earth | Kona Skate Park - Jacksonville |
| Breed, Gillian Carter, Audible Parts | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| Crossbreed, Cultus Black, NoSelf, The Dev | Level 13 - Orlando |
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| Bodybox, No Zodiac, High Pressure | Conduit - Winter Park |
| Dikembe, Camp Trash, Glazed | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| Dream Theater, Devin Townsend, Animals As Leaders | Ruth Eckerd Hall - Clearwater |
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| Garbage, Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds, Metric | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Dream Theater, Devin Townsend, Animals As Leaders | Hard Rock Live - Orlando |
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| Misfits, Megadeth, Fear | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheater - Tampa |
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| Intoxicated, Vacuous Depths, Ebullition | Conduit - Winter Park |
| black midi, YHWH Nailgun | Orpheum - Tampa |
| No/Mas, Knoll, Shock | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| We Are the Union, Kill Lincoln, Catbite | The Social - Orlando |
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| No/Mas, Knoll | Orpheum - Tampa |
| Yungblud, The Regrettes, Caspr | Jannus - St. Petersburg |
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| D.R.I., Metalriser | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
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| Peter Frampton | St. Augustine Amphitheatre |
| The Cure | Amalie Arena - Tampa |
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| D.R.I., Metalriser | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| D.R.I., Metalriser | Brass Mug - Tampa |
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| Liliac, Fortune Child | The Twisted Fork - Port Charlotte |
| Godflesh | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Sad Summer Festival | Daily's Place Amphitheatre - Jacksonville |
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| Sad Summer Festival | Coachman Park - Clearwater |
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| Subdivisions, Violence System, The Fallen Sons | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
| Days Of Summer festival | Conduit - Winter Park |
| Memphis May Fire, Norma Jean, Secrets | The Beacham - Orlando |
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| Days Of Summer festival | Conduit - Winter Park |
| Memphis May Fire, Norma Jean, Secrets | High Dive - Gainesville |
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| Crown The Empire, Varials | Orpheum - Tampa |
| blink-182, Turnstile | Amalie Arena - Tampa |
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| Orthodox, Cell, Chamber | Crowbar - Tampa |
| Analepsy, Cognitive, Wormhole, Nectoricgorebeast | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Analepsy, Cognitive, Wormhole, Nectoricgorebeast | Crowbar - Tampa |
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| Staind | Seminole Hard Rock - Tampa |
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| Staind | Hard Rock Live - Orlando |
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| Obituary | Brass Mug - Tampa |
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| Flag On Fire, Scatter Shot, Backslide, Regions | O'Malley's Alley - Ocala |
| Cenotaph, Horrific Visions, Architectural Genocide | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Agents of Chaos, Black Clash | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
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| Buckcherry | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
| Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, Bryan Adams | Amalie Arena - Tampa |
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| Mudvayne, Coal Chamber, Gwar, Nonpoint, Butcher Babies | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
| The Final Sound, Abbey Death, Layne Lyre | New World Music Hall - Tampa |
| Yosemite In Black, Endbringer, Murder Afloat | Orpheum - Tampa |
| Yellowcard, Mayday Parade, Story of the Year | Daily's Place Amphitheatre - Jacksonville |
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| Less Than Jake, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Devon Kay & the Solutions | House of Blues - Orlando |
| Rising Up Angry, Tragic, Legions Blind | Kona Skate Park - Jacksonville |
| Yellowcard, Mayday Parade, Story of the Year | Yuengling Center - Tampa |
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| Endbringer, Yosemite In Black, Heavy Hitter | 1904 Music Hall - Jacksonville |
| Fall Out Boy, Bring Me The Horizon, Royal & The Serpent | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Havok, Toxic Holocaust, I AM, Hammerhedd | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Between the Buried and Me, Rivers of Nihil, Thank you Scientist | Jannus - St. Petersburg |
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| Round Eye, No Fraud, Caffiends | Will's Pub - Orlando |
| Between the Buried and Me, Rivers of Nihil, Thank you Scientist | Beacham - Orlando |
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| Southpaw, Highest Crown, Fortitude, Dead Mirrors | Born Free - Tampa |
| Crobot, Rickshaw, Billie's Burger Patrol | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Underoath, The Ghost Inside, We Came As Romans | Yuengling Center - Tampa |
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| Disturbed, Breaking Benjamin | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Underoath, The Ghost Inside, We Came As Romans | St. Augustine Amphitheatre |
| Sanguisugabogg, Kruelty, Vomit Forth | Conduit - Winter Park |
| The Queers, The Radio Buzzkills, The Jasons | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
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| Pyrexia, Cerebral Incubation, Atoll | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| The All-American Rejects, New Found Glory, The Starting Line | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Black Flag | High Dive - Gainesville |
| Alesana, Vampires Everywhere, Limbs | Level 13 - Orlando |
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| The Offspring, Sum 41, Simple Plan | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| hed p.e., Lydia can't Breathe, Razorz Edge | Jack Rabbits - Jacksonville |
| Left to Suffer, Distant, Justice for the Damned | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| The Smashing Pumpkins, Interpol, Rival Sons | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| The Mezingers | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
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| Bless The Fall, Caskets, Kingdom of Giants | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Clutch, Giovanni & The Hired Guns, Mike Dillon | Jannus - St. Petersburg |
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| Rob Zombie, Alice Cooper, Ministry | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Ghost, Amon Amarth | Daily's Place Amphitheatre - Jacksonville |
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| Ghost, Amon Amarth | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Baby Metal, Dethklok, Jason Richardson | Orlando Amphitheater |
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| Spitalfield, Rookie of the Year, The Future Perfect | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Bad Omens, ERRA, I See Stars | Jannus - St. Petersburg |
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| Bad Omens, ERRA, I See Stars | House of Blues - Orlando |
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| The Waning Moon, Palace of Tears, Rux Vendetta | Hooch & Hive - Tampa |
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| Kamelot, Battle Beast, Xandria | Hard Rock Live - Orlando |
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| Angelmaker, Vulvodynia, Flasifier | Conduit - Orlando |
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| Black Veil Brides, VV, Dark Divine | Jannus - St. Petersburg |
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| 3 Doors Down, Candlebox | Daily's Place Amphitheatre - Jacksonville |
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| Dance Gavin Dance, SiM, Rain City Drive | Hard Rock Live - Orlando |
| 3 Doors Down, Candlebox | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Movements, Mannequin Pussy, Softcult | The Ritz - Tampa |
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| Avenged Sevenfold, Falling in Reverse | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
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| Wave to Earth, slchld | Orpheum - Tampa |
| Scowl, Militarie Gun, MSPAINT | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Scowl, Militarie Gun, MSPAINT | 1904 Music Hall - Jacksonville |
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| Cavalera Conspiracy, Exhumed, Incite | Beacham - Orlando |
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| Boys Like Girls, State Champs, Four Year Strong | House Of Blues - Orlando |
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| The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus | High Dive - Gainesville |
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| nothing, nowhere., See You Space Cowboy, Static Dress, Unitytx | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| CIRCLE JERKS, TSOL, Negative Approach | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
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| Shinedown, Papa Roach, Spiritbox | MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre - Tampa |
| NOFX | Vinoy Park - St. Petersburg |
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| Flogging Molly, The Bronx | House Of Blues - Orlando |
| Absolution Fest | Crowbar - Tampa |
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| Ne Obliviscaris, Beyond Creation, Persefone | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Ne Obliviscaris, Beyond Creation, Persefone | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Fit For a King, The Devil Wears Prada, Counterparts, Landmvrks | The Ritz - Tampa |
| Dawn of Ouroboros, Fires in the Distance, Somnent | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Beast in Black, Dance with the Dead | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Fame on Fire, Kingdom Collapse | The Social - Orlando |
| Beast in Black, Dance with the Dead | Conduit - Winter Park |
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| Motionless In White, Knocked Loose, After the Burial, Alpha Wolf | Hard Rock Live - Orlando |
| Atilla, Gideon, Until I Wake, Ten56 | Underbelly - Jacksonville |
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| Atilla, Gideon, Until I Wake, Ten56 | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| The Fest | Gainesville |
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| Protest the Hero, Moontooth | The Abbey - Orlando |
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| Protest the Hero, Moontooth | Orpheum - Tampa |
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| Kansas | Florida Theatre - Jacksonville |
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2023.06.05 03:33 ParthenonXF r/USDefaultism when an unspecified search = unspecified answer
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2023.06.04 22:59 SabineRitter [ROUNDUP] UFOs and not-UFOs reported on here in the last week. Countries: 🇩🇪🇺🇸🇲🇽🇮🇹🇨🇴🇮🇱🇮🇳🇦🇺🇬🇧🇳🇱🇹🇷Colors: multicolored 🌈 plus the whole rainbow 🔴🟠🟡🟢🔵🟣 (showing out for June ofc)
Last week's post https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ubbfv/roundup_bats_bugs_and_ufos_reported_on_here_in/ held as of 5:12 pm released at 7:41 pm eastern https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ubdrc/roundup_ufos_and_potentially_related_things/
.1 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ucs3i/ultra_colorful_light_ball_flys_in_the_night_sky/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving, color change observed, flew overhead, first observed red with a white center, As it flew it started changing colors .
.2 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uc5jk/may_27_2023_1239am_1246am_central_texas/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, fleet, following one after the other, 9 objects observed, orange 🟠, central Texas , fire lanterns
.3 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ua44u/multiple_ufos_moving_slowly_across_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, fleet, one with pulsating lights, Chicago Illinois, urban area, bird for comparison, moving slowly
.4 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uw9xo/what_is_this_in_the_sky/ video, nighttime sky, hard to see
.5 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvzb0/remember_the_ufo_over_ohare_in_2006_i_do_and_i/ sighting description, Chicago O'Hare incident, daytime cloudy sky, single object stationary duration 40 minutes, over airport, sudden departure upward
.6 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uh4fm/south_shore_long_island_52823/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, single light object moving fast, contemporaneous report, South shore long Island New York state, similar sightings in comments , flew over the witness home
.7 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uir4j/drone_pic_caught_tonight_may_28th/ photo, nighttime sky, from drone, fourlights, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, Cumming Georgia
.8 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13unyx1/sphere_over_my_garden_only_visible_with_thermal/ video, nighttime, single light object, from infrared, not visible to eye, low over backyard, Cologne Germany 🇩🇪
.9 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uwo25/seen_over_naperville_il_52823_10pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, Naperville Illinois, silent , single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving fast, sudden acceleration
.10 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v36gv/fort_myers_florida_52623/ video from live image, daytime cloudy sky, fort Meyers Florida, single dark object moving fast downward, batman balloon type
.11 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ujn1k/ufo_or_satellite/ sighting description, nighttime, single light object moving fast, trajectory change observed, curved to the left, multicolored, Puerto Vallarta Mexico 🇲🇽
.12 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvohu/plasma_ball_shoots_away_from_me_when_trying_to/ video, nighttime sky, from telescope, single light object, possible reaction to being filmed, vanishing, two witnesses
.13 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13umkqu/three_years_ago_i_had_a_dream_about_a/ dream description, information, Had a dream, in which I was on board a ufo and was taught about an alien society. They valued happiness, self-actualization, and belonging. They understood the existence of thoughtforms and embraced temporary identities. Their economy focused on equality, less waste, and innovation. They had an AI-operated bank and emphasized education and direct democracy
.14 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13td1at/the_exact_spot_where_the_girls_spotted_the_alien/ original research, varginha incident, photo of location
.15 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13utjka/followed_weird_light_that_jumped_over_anothe video, nighttime sky, moving stars, north Florida, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, it would move rapidly, stop, backtrack and then go forward again all at varying speeds and there was no sound at all., silent
.16 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13uy3g7/mantis_phobia/ childhood experience description, entity, mantis type, emotion of fear
.17 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uh7g1/spotted_above_columbus_oh_today_still_hovering/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, observed stationary, Columbus Ohio https://old.reddit.com/Columbus/comments/13ty4an/power_outage/ possible electronic effects power outage
.18 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v97pu/visited_the_site_of_the_rendlesham_incident_today/ photos, site of the rendlesham forest incident, art 🎨, sculpture, daytime
.19 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vwqjs/my_girlfriend_just_sent_me_this_is_it_a_drone_a/ video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, tictac, low over rooftop, Umbria Italy 🇮🇹, "Airplane"
.20 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vbo2g/legit_curious_are_there_other_experiencers_on/ discussion of close events, sighting description and drawing, family story, Texas, nighttime, low over rooftops, flying saucer, three objects, three witnesses, [GOODPOST], possible reaction to being observed, trajectory change, similar sightings in comments
.21 https://old.reddit.com/Cleveland/comments/13uvy4e/two_f16_fly_by_west_cleveland/jm4pdu9/ sighting description, cylinder, Cleveland Ohio, possible military response, jets https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vaa33/f16_flybys_near_cleveland_on_memorial_day/ description, airplane anomaly , unusual flight path signs and appearance
.22 https://old.reddit.com/StLouis/comments/13vook6/anyone_else_see_some_weird_shapes_in_the_sky/ photos, daytime cloudy sky, st Louis Missouri, contemporaneous report, single dark object, irregular blocky shape, angular, stationary, urban area, three objects, possible partially cloaked triangle
.23 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vz1mo/possible_ufo_sighting_in_west_nashville/ video, daytime cloudy sky, tubulapill shaped metallic object, tictac, silent, plane for comparison, very bright , Nashville Tennessee , downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, ignoring OP data, big debunker energy
.24 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vc0cl/happening_right_now_in_buga_columbia_755pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, buga Colombia 🇨🇴 , single light object, zigzag movements observed, up and down, flareup observed
.25 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vcezf/strange_drones_before_drones_were_a_thing_in_the/ sighting description, three witnesses, three objects, nighttime, fleet, grid pattern trajectory., repeat three times, approach, flew overhead, wasp 🐝 shape , stationary, sudden departure,
.26 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uul0m/4chan_gov_ufo_whistleblower_video_i_made_using_a/ video recreation of sighting description, underwater UFOs
.27 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vdn76/starlink/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet observed, blue 🔵, following one after the other, Miami Florida, contemporaneous report, two witnesses
.28 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vx1ma/the_four_major_categories_of_ufos_reported_in_the/ image, ufo shapes by decade
.29 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vkwz5/i_saw_multiple_lights_dancing_in_the_sky_last/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, fleet, moving stars, dancing, up and down and left to right, single object flashing
.30 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vzh5u/orb_sighting_over_norther_arizona/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, over northern Arizona, duration 20-30 seconds, single dark object, black ⚫️ dot observed , lighting configuration change observed, began to glow and shimmer , interaction with clouds, cut a channel and illuminated
.31 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vraeh/are_ufouap_sightings_increasing_or_am_i_just/ discussion of sighting frequency
.32 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vudz1/i_need_to_get_this_sleep_paralysis_episode_off_my/ experience description, sleep paralysis, information transfer
.33 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vx3du/saw_a_shape_burned_into_my_eyes_after_meditating/ experience description, crop circle, hexagonal shape
.34 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uuioy/2_flashing_ufos_caught_on_cam_in_broad_daylight/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, twolights observed, flashing, oldham England the UK 🇬🇧, very bright
.35 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13w48i0/moving_56_objects/ sighting description, moving stars, two witnesses
.36 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w6q2q/my_younger_brother_saw_this_flying_through_the/ photos, daytime sky, single light object, tictac, downvoted to zero, contemporaneous report, Middlesex County Massachusetts, OP comments downvoted
.37 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w8np3/same_object_different_video_to_corroborate/ video, nighttime sky, single light object moving fast, similar sighting to number.6 above., coastal Maine, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.38 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13woova/bright_orange_fiery_lights_in_the_sky_turned_into/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, three witnesses, single light object appearing and vanishing, orange 🟠, Oregon, mothership also observed, described as a huge ship covered in bright orange lights and i mean covered. it was like the movies., my brother said it opened up like a mouth, but like an accordion. he said it closed after that and it vanished.
.39 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wvq41/ufo_sighting/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, moving star, observed vanishing and reappearing, two witnesses, fleet observed, diverse trajectories
.40 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpbhl/ufo_spotted_in_albuquerque_new_mexico_early/ sighting description and map, contemporaneous report, Albuquerque new Mexico, has anyone seen?,nighttime, two witnesses, from car, flying saucer, very bright, yellow lights 🟡, low to the ground , emotion of fear, duration 30-40 seconds
.41 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13weffz/i_caught_a_ufo_above_the_tree_line_right_before/ video and still image, hard to see, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object , from dashcam, Olympia Washington
.42 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpjjy/those_who_have_seen_ufos_did_you_have_this_same/ sighting descriptions, two flying disks that were silver, and silver sphere hovering over a military base, discussion of thoughts, possible telepathy, "tell no one, nobody will believe you.", similar experiences in comments, [GOODPOST]
.43 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13x1akm/my_sister_saw_this_on_her_way_home_in_normal/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, twolights, diffuse, buzzing noise, sudden departure
.44 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13wgv5t/white_orb_may_13_2022_video_analysis_digital/ video, nighttime sky, single light object
.45 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13v3cj2/took_this_in_december_2020/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, two objects, single light object, single dark object elongated, possible cigar or disk shape
.46 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13uxpa9/close_encounter_3rd_type_alien_witnessed/ experience description, entity, Ballarat Victoria Australia 🇦🇺, dark humanoid figure, possible reaction to being observed, vanishing, then the object it was standing on had a single orange light turn on, it raised slowly in a side to side motion turned vertical and then flew off faster than anything I’ve ever seen in my life, sudden departure , nighttime, contemporaneous report
.47 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13vaxw3/what_is_this/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object, vanishing, low over rooftop, duration 10 minutes, red 🔴
.48 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgi7a/amazing_shapeshifting_ufo_video_i_captured/ video, shape change observed, Cincinnati Ohio
.49 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgcrv/2_uaps_escorted_by_2_fighter_jets_israel/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, UAP and jets, possible military response, Israel 🇮🇱
.47 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13wxi24/nasa_group_studying_ufos_stresses_need_for_bette CBS News getting downvoted on the space sub for posting about the nasa UAP panel 🙃
.48 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wc4r0/another_one_for_your_consideration/jmeu5lh/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, new jersey, nighttime, emotion of fear, fleet and mothership, close, rectangular
.49 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xnod4/sighting_53023/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, starlink
.50 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xoxn1/a_weird_set_of_lights_i_saw_tonight_above_new/ video, nighttime sky, two witnesses, plasma stuff, blue 🔵 and white, elongated, stationary, shimmering, lighting configuration change, new Delhi India 🇮🇳, contemporaneous report , silent, observed duration 10 minutes , low over rooftops, [GOODPOST]
.51 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xl795/this_video_was_taken_by_a_good_friend_of_mine_on/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, from Denver Colorado to el paso Texas, western USA, single light object, possible disk shape,possible reaction to being observed, sudden departure
.52 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13xsywv/bizarre_experience/ experience description, location anomaly, unfamiliar surroundings, from car, emotion of fear and unease, duration 5 minutes
.53 https://old.reddit.com/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/13xvgrx/what_did_i_see_as_a_child/ childhood sighting description, bedroom, nighttime, entity, humanoid figure, blue lightning 🔵
.54 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13wthum/eerie_radio_transmission_interrupting_regula audio anomaly, radio, it was almost like what the 1980s would expect a robot to sound like if it communicated in bleeps. There was no static. The “bleeps” were clear and included pauses. It continued for about 15 seconds
.55 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xu1o0/not_sure_what_this_is_call_for_help/ photos, evening cloudy sky, over water, Atlantic ocean, kitty hawk north Carolina, rectangular shape
.56 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y4t9c/lightsorbs_over_my_home_in_merced_county/ video, nighttime sky, Merced County California, contemporaneous report , fleet observed, witness went outside, two groups, V formation, two witnesses, duration 10 minutes All together there had to be like 12-15 and there was always one slightly larger one in the back of the v formation., triangle, threelights , silent, emotion of fear, spooked, orange 🟠, animal reaction dogs barking, went nuts, objects did not seem hostile, just passing through, [GOODPOST]
.57 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y9yp8/i_think_i_saw_a_ufouap/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, single object, two witnesses, daytime, Michigan, shaped like a cylinder or flat in some way., haze around it, electronic effects did not show up in photos, emotional reaction awe, it was awesome
.58 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xyfnh/6123_santa_ana_ca_522pm_zig_zagge video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, santa Ana California, zigzag movements, single dark object, repeat visitor
.59 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y1zxm/does_anyone_know_anyone_whos_seen_an_alien_or_ufo/ discussion of sightings
.60 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y979c/color_changing_orbs_house_vibrating_morse_code/ sighting description, nighttime, two witnesses, fleet, low below treeline, multicolored, changing colors from reds to blues to greens 🔴🔵🟢, green flash, passed the window, multiple passes, physical effects vibration, pulsating, Morse code "hello, hello, hello" over and over for another 10 mins
.61 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yar5q/abduction/ experience description, possible abduction, onset of fatigue, anomaly inside home, moving blur, sensation of floating, family history, brother experienced the same, event amnesia, This then unlocked other dreams that I had from when I was much younger that I have still yet to process, repeat visitors
.62 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13y5evm/i_saw_a_ufo_in_australia_in_the_1980s_ama_i_guess/ sighting description, Australia 🇦🇺 , three witnesses, silent, close, observed moving and stationary, sudden departure, golden, oval, pulsating, physical effects paralysis
.63 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yiyt4/which_planets_are_this/ nighttime, single light object https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yg1lq/what_is_this/ more pictures https://old.reddit.com/astrophotography/comments/13xyc5w/venus_approaching_half_phase/ reference image of venus at half phase, contemporaneous report
.64 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yhkgv/very_strange_phone_experience_with_reddit_app/ experience description, eyes 👀 looking back
.65 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y2j94/i_had_seen_2_big_circular_crafts_above_the_clouds/ sighting description, lights above the clouds, diffuse, circular, twolights, storm, nighttime cloudy sky, Tucson Arizona
.66 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/13y23vi/weird_line_in_clouds_no_idea_what_is_going_on/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, horizontal line, separation , possible blue light in clouds
.67 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13xxdav/i_saw_aliens_today/ experience description, entity, contemporaneous report, daytime, information transfer, they needed help
.68 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ykdho/tic_tac_ufo/ video, daytime sky, single light object moving, tictac, silent, possible splitting or jumpy movement at the end of the video
.69 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yj9t1/for_your_consideration_june_1st_2023/ video, daytime sky, Ohio, duration 20 seconds, cubensphere, boxy orb,
.70 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yr2ud/could_someone_help_make_sense_of_these_pics_taken/ photo, nighttime sky, possible disk, "long exposure of airplane", no craft visible to witness, Southeast England the UK 🇬🇧
.71 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xzz05/semi_edited_video_of_the_one_i_posted_on_here/ video followup to previous post, nighttime sky, single light object, Decatur Alabama, vanishing
.72 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yk4yp/odd_lights_in_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, Glendale Arizona, two witnesses, duration 30 seconds, fleet, flashing, [GOODPOST]
.73 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y5mvg/strange_light_moving_slowly_in_the_sky_ove video, nighttime sky, single light object, observed moving erratically, multicolored 🌈, Queensland Australia, duration 20 minutes, Moving slowly up and down and seemingly from side to side at times
.74 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ysp3v/orange_orbes_over_naarden_the_netherlands/ video, nighttime sky, twolights, orange 🟠, naarden the Netherlands 🇳🇱 , urban area, nice long 4 minute video, vanishing and reappearing , contemporaneous report, [GOODPOST]
.75 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytkzq/strange_pink_jellylike_substance_from_the_sky/ experience description and photo, pink jelly falling from sky, transparent, reddish
.76 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13ys1ug/my_friend_sent_me_this/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored, blue, purple, red, white and green 🔵🟣🔴⚪️🟢, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting
.77 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yvvmp/tumbling_uap_vancouver_april_30th_2023/ video, daytime cloudy sky, Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦, single dark object moving straight, tumbling, similar sightings in comments
.78 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yxk6b/what_is_that_a_satellite_top_left_it_was_moving/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object moving, contemporaneous report, urban area, near Washington DC, physical effects it felt like a magnet pushing the phone away
.79 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yz1yz/waking_dream_vision/ experience description, dream or vision, entities, blue 🔵, physical effects felt grabbed on left arm, information transfer, He said to me, "As I have grabbed your arm, someone has grabbed mine" and then let me go
.80 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yepi7/pan/ experience description, entity, the god Pan
.81 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zihv5/an_honest_question/jmrvkd6/?context=3 childhood sighting description, upper Peninsula Michigan, two witnesses, nighttime, dim circle of lights, physical effects paralysis
.82 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zn6jc/portal_thingy/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single object blackwhite, shield 🛡 shaped, Temescal Valley California
.83 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zpvp6/my_ufo_sightinghas_anyone_ever_seen_fibonacci/ detailed sighting description, nighttime, camping, Galeton Pennsylvania, Suddenly I noticed when I looked into the sky that the entire sky - I mean every inch of night - was a swirling mass of interlocking Fibonacci spirals., two witnesses, additional objects observed moving and stationary, they stopped, flashed back and forth in strange blue and purplish light as if talking to each other, and then simultaneously shot straight up into the air, side by side, and vanished.🔵🟣, sudden departure upward, [GOODPOST], luring, splitting,emotional reaction anxiety, sleep disruption
.84 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yz5m3/the_phenomena_of_things_flying_off_the_shelf/ discussion of things flying off a shelf.
.85 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zl7d7/uap_in_pic_zoom_in/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, Nevada, single object, blackwhite, possible pyramid
.86 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zsj7q/seen_in_boston_ma_62/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, contemporaneous report, Boston Massachusetts, urban area, fleet, "birds", downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, deleted
.87 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zv038/light_at_night/ sighting description, single light object moving fast downward, entering the earth, contemporaneous report, thuringia nordhausen Germany 🇩🇪 ,nighttime , duration 4 seconds, blue 🔵, silent
.88 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zw86p/can_anyone_explain_these/ video, nighttime sky, st Petersburg Florida, single light object moving erratically, similar sightings in comments, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.89 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zy7d5/ufo_drone_stationary_plane/ sighting, possible drone, very bright, observed moving and stationary, silent
.90 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140c1th/the_mysterious_event_that_my_father_witnessed_a/ sighting description, family story, earthquake, purple smoke cloud, diffuse, 🟣, electronic effects radio interference, jellyfish, entities, shape change observed, flying saucer, red lights 🔴, rotating, sudden departure upward, duration 5-10 minutes, nighttime, Izmet Turkey 🇹🇷, similar sighting in comments
.91 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1409rk4/looked_like_a_satellite_but_it_disappeared_quickly/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object moving, observed vanishing, Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺, Chinese space station (TIANHE-1).
.92 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1403t51/a_couple_days_ago_i_heard_a_weird_almost_hovering/ audio description, wawawawawa sound, over the witness home, nighttime, two witnesses, ongoing activity, entity, animal reaction dog noticed it, contemporaneous report, similar audio experience in comments
.93 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zw6sv/got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is_what_i/ video, from home security camera, inside home, single light object moving , Tennessee https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zza39/update_2_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zxfd0/update_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video
.94 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140bmuo/ufo_sighting_when_i_was_younger_wonder_if_anyone/ sighting description and reference image, triangle, Red lights 🔴, has anyone seen?, similar sightings in comments, perception discrepancy other witness didn't see it , nighttime, from car, pacing car
.95 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140gfkp/2008_october_6/ sighting description, dawn, fleet, dancing, moving erratically, approach or flareup, urban area, two witnesses, duration 20 minutes
.96 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140d2pd/source_of_high_pitchfrequency_sound/ audio description, high pitched sound
.97 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zz6dz/unidentified_lightning_fast_creature/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, entity
.98 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zukt3/are_aliens_real/ experience description, entity , aftereffects drawing shapes, and illness
.99 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140i2ob/help_id_drone_or_something_else/ photos, nighttime sky, single object, Scottish Highlands on the North Sea Scotland, repeat visitor, possible military response jets, "lens flare"
.100 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytjc6/strange_phone_calls_what_is_this_thing_that/ audio anomaly, strange noise, phone call, repeat visitor
.101 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140jvta/can_someone_please_describe_what_the_orange_orbs/ childhood sighting description, nighttime, single light object, orange 🟠, flareup, splitting into threelights, moving horizontally and descending down, very bright, darkness bright as day, multiple witnesses, made the news, "comet", similar sighting in comments , downvoted to zero
.102 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/140jt9i/storm_clouds_after_dusk_do_you_see_the_squiggles/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, anomalous lightning, possible blue light in clouds, storm , Colorado
.103 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140n3f6/just_heard_a_boom_that_shook_the_house_a_few/ audio description, loud boom, contemporaneous report, physical effects house shook
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.1 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ucs3i/ultra_colorful_light_ball_flys_in_the_night_sky/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving, color change observed, flew overhead, first observed red with a white center, As it flew it started changing colors .
.2 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uc5jk/may_27_2023_1239am_1246am_central_texas/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, fleet, following one after the other, 9 objects observed, orange 🟠, central Texas , fire lanterns
.3 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ua44u/multiple_ufos_moving_slowly_across_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, fleet, one with pulsating lights, Chicago Illinois, urban area, bird for comparison, moving slowly
.4 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uw9xo/what_is_this_in_the_sky/ video, nighttime sky, hard to see
.5 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvzb0/remember_the_ufo_over_ohare_in_2006_i_do_and_i/ sighting description, Chicago O'Hare incident, daytime cloudy sky, single object stationary duration 40 minutes, over airport, sudden departure upward
.6 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uh4fm/south_shore_long_island_52823/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, single light object moving fast, contemporaneous report, South shore long Island New York state, similar sightings in comments , flew over the witness home
.7 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uir4j/drone_pic_caught_tonight_may_28th/ photo, nighttime sky, from drone, fourlights, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, Cumming Georgia
.8 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13unyx1/sphere_over_my_garden_only_visible_with_thermal/ video, nighttime, single light object, from infrared, not visible to eye, low over backyard, Cologne Germany 🇩🇪
.9 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uwo25/seen_over_naperville_il_52823_10pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, Naperville Illinois, silent , single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving fast, sudden acceleration
.10 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v36gv/fort_myers_florida_52623/ video from live image, daytime cloudy sky, fort Meyers Florida, single dark object moving fast downward, batman balloon type
.11 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ujn1k/ufo_or_satellite/ sighting description, nighttime, single light object moving fast, trajectory change observed, curved to the left, multicolored, Puerto Vallarta Mexico 🇲🇽
.12 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvohu/plasma_ball_shoots_away_from_me_when_trying_to/ video, nighttime sky, from telescope, single light object, possible reaction to being filmed, vanishing, two witnesses
.13 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13umkqu/three_years_ago_i_had_a_dream_about_a/ dream description, information, Had a dream, in which I was on board a ufo and was taught about an alien society. They valued happiness, self-actualization, and belonging. They understood the existence of thoughtforms and embraced temporary identities. Their economy focused on equality, less waste, and innovation. They had an AI-operated bank and emphasized education and direct democracy
.14 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13td1at/the_exact_spot_where_the_girls_spotted_the_alien/ original research, varginha incident, photo of location
.15 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13utjka/followed_weird_light_that_jumped_over_anothe video, nighttime sky, moving stars, north Florida, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, it would move rapidly, stop, backtrack and then go forward again all at varying speeds and there was no sound at all., silent
.16 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13uy3g7/mantis_phobia/ childhood experience description, entity, mantis type, emotion of fear
.17 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uh7g1/spotted_above_columbus_oh_today_still_hovering/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, observed stationary, Columbus Ohio https://old.reddit.com/Columbus/comments/13ty4an/power_outage/ possible electronic effects power outage
.18 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v97pu/visited_the_site_of_the_rendlesham_incident_today/ photos, site of the rendlesham forest incident, art 🎨, sculpture, daytime
.19 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vwqjs/my_girlfriend_just_sent_me_this_is_it_a_drone_a/ video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, tictac, low over rooftop, Umbria Italy 🇮🇹, "Airplane"
.20 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vbo2g/legit_curious_are_there_other_experiencers_on/ discussion of close events, sighting description and drawing, family story, Texas, nighttime, low over rooftops, flying saucer, three objects, three witnesses, [GOODPOST], possible reaction to being observed, trajectory change, similar sightings in comments
.21 https://old.reddit.com/Cleveland/comments/13uvy4e/two_f16_fly_by_west_cleveland/jm4pdu9/ sighting description, cylinder, Cleveland Ohio, possible military response, jets https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vaa33/f16_flybys_near_cleveland_on_memorial_day/ description, airplane anomaly , unusual flight path signs and appearance
.22 https://old.reddit.com/StLouis/comments/13vook6/anyone_else_see_some_weird_shapes_in_the_sky/ photos, daytime cloudy sky, st Louis Missouri, contemporaneous report, single dark object, irregular blocky shape, angular, stationary, urban area, three objects, possible partially cloaked triangle
.23 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vz1mo/possible_ufo_sighting_in_west_nashville/ video, daytime cloudy sky, tubulapill shaped metallic object, tictac, silent, plane for comparison, very bright , Nashville Tennessee , downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, ignoring OP data, big debunker energy
.24 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vc0cl/happening_right_now_in_buga_columbia_755pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, buga Colombia 🇨🇴 , single light object, zigzag movements observed, up and down, flareup observed
.25 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vcezf/strange_drones_before_drones_were_a_thing_in_the/ sighting description, three witnesses, three objects, nighttime, fleet, grid pattern trajectory., repeat three times, approach, flew overhead, wasp 🐝 shape , stationary, sudden departure,
.26 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uul0m/4chan_gov_ufo_whistleblower_video_i_made_using_a/ video recreation of sighting description, underwater UFOs
.27 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vdn76/starlink/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet observed, blue 🔵, following one after the other, Miami Florida, contemporaneous report, two witnesses
.28 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vx1ma/the_four_major_categories_of_ufos_reported_in_the/ image, ufo shapes by decade
.29 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vkwz5/i_saw_multiple_lights_dancing_in_the_sky_last/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, fleet, moving stars, dancing, up and down and left to right, single object flashing
.30 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vzh5u/orb_sighting_over_norther_arizona/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, over northern Arizona, duration 20-30 seconds, single dark object, black ⚫️ dot observed , lighting configuration change observed, began to glow and shimmer , interaction with clouds, cut a channel and illuminated
.31 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vraeh/are_ufouap_sightings_increasing_or_am_i_just/ discussion of sighting frequency
.32 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vudz1/i_need_to_get_this_sleep_paralysis_episode_off_my/ experience description, sleep paralysis, information transfer
.33 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vx3du/saw_a_shape_burned_into_my_eyes_after_meditating/ experience description, crop circle, hexagonal shape
.34 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uuioy/2_flashing_ufos_caught_on_cam_in_broad_daylight/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, twolights observed, flashing, oldham England the UK 🇬🇧, very bright
.35 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13w48i0/moving_56_objects/ sighting description, moving stars, two witnesses
.36 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w6q2q/my_younger_brother_saw_this_flying_through_the/ photos, daytime sky, single light object, tictac, downvoted to zero, contemporaneous report, Middlesex County Massachusetts, OP comments downvoted
.37 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w8np3/same_object_different_video_to_corroborate/ video, nighttime sky, single light object moving fast, similar sighting to number.6 above., coastal Maine, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.38 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13woova/bright_orange_fiery_lights_in_the_sky_turned_into/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, three witnesses, single light object appearing and vanishing, orange 🟠, Oregon, mothership also observed, described as a huge ship covered in bright orange lights and i mean covered. it was like the movies., my brother said it opened up like a mouth, but like an accordion. he said it closed after that and it vanished.
.39 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wvq41/ufo_sighting/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, moving star, observed vanishing and reappearing, two witnesses, fleet observed, diverse trajectories
.40 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpbhl/ufo_spotted_in_albuquerque_new_mexico_early/ sighting description and map, contemporaneous report, Albuquerque new Mexico, has anyone seen?,nighttime, two witnesses, from car, flying saucer, very bright, yellow lights 🟡, low to the ground , emotion of fear, duration 30-40 seconds
.41 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13weffz/i_caught_a_ufo_above_the_tree_line_right_before/ video and still image, hard to see, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object , from dashcam, Olympia Washington
.42 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpjjy/those_who_have_seen_ufos_did_you_have_this_same/ sighting descriptions, two flying disks that were silver, and silver sphere hovering over a military base, discussion of thoughts, possible telepathy, "tell no one, nobody will believe you.", similar experiences in comments, [GOODPOST]
.43 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13x1akm/my_sister_saw_this_on_her_way_home_in_normal/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, twolights, diffuse, buzzing noise, sudden departure
.44 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13wgv5t/white_orb_may_13_2022_video_analysis_digital/ video, nighttime sky, single light object
.45 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13v3cj2/took_this_in_december_2020/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, two objects, single light object, single dark object elongated, possible cigar or disk shape
.46 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13uxpa9/close_encounter_3rd_type_alien_witnessed/ experience description, entity, Ballarat Victoria Australia 🇦🇺, dark humanoid figure, possible reaction to being observed, vanishing, then the object it was standing on had a single orange light turn on, it raised slowly in a side to side motion turned vertical and then flew off faster than anything I’ve ever seen in my life, sudden departure , nighttime, contemporaneous report
.47 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13vaxw3/what_is_this/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object, vanishing, low over rooftop, duration 10 minutes, red 🔴
.48 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgi7a/amazing_shapeshifting_ufo_video_i_captured/ video, shape change observed, Cincinnati Ohio
.49 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgcrv/2_uaps_escorted_by_2_fighter_jets_israel/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, UAP and jets, possible military response, Israel 🇮🇱
.47 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13wxi24/nasa_group_studying_ufos_stresses_need_for_bette CBS News getting downvoted on the space sub for posting about the nasa UAP panel 🙃
.48 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wc4r0/another_one_for_your_consideration/jmeu5lh/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, new jersey, nighttime, emotion of fear, fleet and mothership, close, rectangular
.49 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xnod4/sighting_53023/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, starlink
.50 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xoxn1/a_weird_set_of_lights_i_saw_tonight_above_new/ video, nighttime sky, two witnesses, plasma stuff, blue 🔵 and white, elongated, stationary, shimmering, lighting configuration change, new Delhi India 🇮🇳, contemporaneous report , silent, observed duration 10 minutes , low over rooftops, [GOODPOST]
.51 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xl795/this_video_was_taken_by_a_good_friend_of_mine_on/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, from Denver Colorado to el paso Texas, western USA, single light object, possible disk shape,possible reaction to being observed, sudden departure
.52 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13xsywv/bizarre_experience/ experience description, location anomaly, unfamiliar surroundings, from car, emotion of fear and unease, duration 5 minutes
.53 https://old.reddit.com/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/13xvgrx/what_did_i_see_as_a_child/ childhood sighting description, bedroom, nighttime, entity, humanoid figure, blue lightning 🔵
.54 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13wthum/eerie_radio_transmission_interrupting_regula audio anomaly, radio, it was almost like what the 1980s would expect a robot to sound like if it communicated in bleeps. There was no static. The “bleeps” were clear and included pauses. It continued for about 15 seconds
.55 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xu1o0/not_sure_what_this_is_call_for_help/ photos, evening cloudy sky, over water, Atlantic ocean, kitty hawk north Carolina, rectangular shape
.56 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y4t9c/lightsorbs_over_my_home_in_merced_county/ video, nighttime sky, Merced County California, contemporaneous report , fleet observed, witness went outside, two groups, V formation, two witnesses, duration 10 minutes All together there had to be like 12-15 and there was always one slightly larger one in the back of the v formation., triangle, threelights , silent, emotion of fear, spooked, orange 🟠, animal reaction dogs barking, went nuts, objects did not seem hostile, just passing through, [GOODPOST]
.57 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y9yp8/i_think_i_saw_a_ufouap/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, single object, two witnesses, daytime, Michigan, shaped like a cylinder or flat in some way., haze around it, electronic effects did not show up in photos, emotional reaction awe, it was awesome
.58 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xyfnh/6123_santa_ana_ca_522pm_zig_zagge video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, santa Ana California, zigzag movements, single dark object, repeat visitor
.59 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y1zxm/does_anyone_know_anyone_whos_seen_an_alien_or_ufo/ discussion of sightings
.60 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y979c/color_changing_orbs_house_vibrating_morse_code/ sighting description, nighttime, two witnesses, fleet, low below treeline, multicolored, changing colors from reds to blues to greens 🔴🔵🟢, green flash, passed the window, multiple passes, physical effects vibration, pulsating, Morse code "hello, hello, hello" over and over for another 10 mins
.61 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yar5q/abduction/ experience description, possible abduction, onset of fatigue, anomaly inside home, moving blur, sensation of floating, family history, brother experienced the same, event amnesia, This then unlocked other dreams that I had from when I was much younger that I have still yet to process, repeat visitors
.62 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13y5evm/i_saw_a_ufo_in_australia_in_the_1980s_ama_i_guess/ sighting description, Australia 🇦🇺 , three witnesses, silent, close, observed moving and stationary, sudden departure, golden, oval, pulsating, physical effects paralysis
.63 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yiyt4/which_planets_are_this/ nighttime, single light object https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yg1lq/what_is_this/ more pictures https://old.reddit.com/astrophotography/comments/13xyc5w/venus_approaching_half_phase/ reference image of venus at half phase, contemporaneous report
.64 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yhkgv/very_strange_phone_experience_with_reddit_app/ experience description, eyes 👀 looking back
.65 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y2j94/i_had_seen_2_big_circular_crafts_above_the_clouds/ sighting description, lights above the clouds, diffuse, circular, twolights, storm, nighttime cloudy sky, Tucson Arizona
.66 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/13y23vi/weird_line_in_clouds_no_idea_what_is_going_on/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, horizontal line, separation , possible blue light in clouds
.67 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13xxdav/i_saw_aliens_today/ experience description, entity, contemporaneous report, daytime, information transfer, they needed help
.68 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ykdho/tic_tac_ufo/ video, daytime sky, single light object moving, tictac, silent, possible splitting or jumpy movement at the end of the video
.69 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yj9t1/for_your_consideration_june_1st_2023/ video, daytime sky, Ohio, duration 20 seconds, cubensphere, boxy orb,
.70 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yr2ud/could_someone_help_make_sense_of_these_pics_taken/ photo, nighttime sky, possible disk, "long exposure of airplane", no craft visible to witness, Southeast England the UK 🇬🇧
.71 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xzz05/semi_edited_video_of_the_one_i_posted_on_here/ video followup to previous post, nighttime sky, single light object, Decatur Alabama, vanishing
.72 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yk4yp/odd_lights_in_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, Glendale Arizona, two witnesses, duration 30 seconds, fleet, flashing, [GOODPOST]
.73 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y5mvg/strange_light_moving_slowly_in_the_sky_ove video, nighttime sky, single light object, observed moving erratically, multicolored 🌈, Queensland Australia, duration 20 minutes, Moving slowly up and down and seemingly from side to side at times
.74 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ysp3v/orange_orbes_over_naarden_the_netherlands/ video, nighttime sky, twolights, orange 🟠, naarden the Netherlands 🇳🇱 , urban area, nice long 4 minute video, vanishing and reappearing , contemporaneous report, [GOODPOST]
.75 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytkzq/strange_pink_jellylike_substance_from_the_sky/ experience description and photo, pink jelly falling from sky, transparent, reddish
.76 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13ys1ug/my_friend_sent_me_this/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored, blue, purple, red, white and green 🔵🟣🔴⚪️🟢, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting
.77 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yvvmp/tumbling_uap_vancouver_april_30th_2023/ video, daytime cloudy sky, Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦, single dark object moving straight, tumbling, similar sightings in comments
.78 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yxk6b/what_is_that_a_satellite_top_left_it_was_moving/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object moving, contemporaneous report, urban area, near Washington DC, physical effects it felt like a magnet pushing the phone away
.79 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yz1yz/waking_dream_vision/ experience description, dream or vision, entities, blue 🔵, physical effects felt grabbed on left arm, information transfer, He said to me, "As I have grabbed your arm, someone has grabbed mine" and then let me go
.80 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yepi7/pan/ experience description, entity, the god Pan
.81 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zihv5/an_honest_question/jmrvkd6/?context=3 childhood sighting description, upper Peninsula Michigan, two witnesses, nighttime, dim circle of lights, physical effects paralysis
.82 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zn6jc/portal_thingy/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single object blackwhite, shield 🛡 shaped, Temescal Valley California
.83 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zpvp6/my_ufo_sightinghas_anyone_ever_seen_fibonacci/ detailed sighting description, nighttime, camping, Galeton Pennsylvania, Suddenly I noticed when I looked into the sky that the entire sky - I mean every inch of night - was a swirling mass of interlocking Fibonacci spirals., two witnesses, additional objects observed moving and stationary, they stopped, flashed back and forth in strange blue and purplish light as if talking to each other, and then simultaneously shot straight up into the air, side by side, and vanished.🔵🟣, sudden departure upward, [GOODPOST], luring, splitting,emotional reaction anxiety, sleep disruption
.84 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yz5m3/the_phenomena_of_things_flying_off_the_shelf/ discussion of things flying off a shelf.
.85 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zl7d7/uap_in_pic_zoom_in/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, Nevada, single object, blackwhite, possible pyramid
.86 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zsj7q/seen_in_boston_ma_62/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, contemporaneous report, Boston Massachusetts, urban area, fleet, "birds", downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, deleted
.87 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zv038/light_at_night/ sighting description, single light object moving fast downward, entering the earth, contemporaneous report, thuringia nordhausen Germany 🇩🇪 ,nighttime , duration 4 seconds, blue 🔵, silent
.88 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zw86p/can_anyone_explain_these/ video, nighttime sky, st Petersburg Florida, single light object moving erratically, similar sightings in comments, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.89 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zy7d5/ufo_drone_stationary_plane/ sighting, possible drone, very bright, observed moving and stationary, silent
.90 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140c1th/the_mysterious_event_that_my_father_witnessed_a/ sighting description, family story, earthquake, purple smoke cloud, diffuse, 🟣, electronic effects radio interference, jellyfish, entities, shape change observed, flying saucer, red lights 🔴, rotating, sudden departure upward, duration 5-10 minutes, nighttime, Izmet Turkey 🇹🇷, similar sighting in comments
.91 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1409rk4/looked_like_a_satellite_but_it_disappeared_quickly/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object moving, observed vanishing, Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺, Chinese space station (TIANHE-1).
.92 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1403t51/a_couple_days_ago_i_heard_a_weird_almost_hovering/ audio description, wawawawawa sound, over the witness home, nighttime, two witnesses, ongoing activity, entity, animal reaction dog noticed it, contemporaneous report, similar audio experience in comments
.93 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zw6sv/got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is_what_i/ video, from home security camera, inside home, single light object moving , Tennessee https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zza39/update_2_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zxfd0/update_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video
.94 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140bmuo/ufo_sighting_when_i_was_younger_wonder_if_anyone/ sighting description and reference image, triangle, Red lights 🔴, has anyone seen?, similar sightings in comments, perception discrepancy other witness didn't see it , nighttime, from car, pacing car
.95 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140gfkp/2008_october_6/ sighting description, dawn, fleet, dancing, moving erratically, approach or flareup, urban area, two witnesses, duration 20 minutes
.96 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140d2pd/source_of_high_pitchfrequency_sound/ audio description, high pitched sound
.97 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zz6dz/unidentified_lightning_fast_creature/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, entity
.98 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zukt3/are_aliens_real/ experience description, entity , aftereffects drawing shapes, and illness
.99 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140i2ob/help_id_drone_or_something_else/ photos, nighttime sky, single object, Scottish Highlands on the North Sea Scotland, repeat visitor, possible military response jets, "lens flare"
.100 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytjc6/strange_phone_calls_what_is_this_thing_that/ audio anomaly, strange noise, phone call, repeat visitor
.101 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140jvta/can_someone_please_describe_what_the_orange_orbs/ childhood sighting description, nighttime, single light object, orange 🟠, flareup, splitting into threelights, moving horizontally and descending down, very bright, darkness bright as day, multiple witnesses, made the news, "comet", similar sighting in comments , downvoted to zero
.102 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/140jt9i/storm_clouds_after_dusk_do_you_see_the_squiggles/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, anomalous lightning, possible blue light in clouds, storm , Colorado
.103 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140n3f6/just_heard_a_boom_that_shook_the_house_a_few/ audio description, loud boom, contemporaneous report, physical effects house shook
2023.06.04 22:56 SabineRitter [ROUNDUP] UFOs and not-UFOs reported on here in the last week. Countries: 🇩🇪🇺🇸🇲🇽🇮🇹🇨🇴🇮🇱🇮🇳🇦🇺🇬🇧🇳🇱🇹🇷Colors: multicolored 🌈 plus the whole rainbow 🔴🟠🟡🟢🔵🟣 (showing out for June ofc) Shapes: tictac, cubensphere, 🐝 wasp , flying saucer, cigar, jellyfish , tictac/cylinder, etc
Last week's post https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ubbfv/roundup_bats_bugs_and_ufos_reported_on_here_in/ held as of 5:12 pm released at 7:41 pm eastern https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ubdrc/roundup_ufos_and_potentially_related_things/
.1 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ucs3i/ultra_colorful_light_ball_flys_in_the_night_sky/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving, color change observed, flew overhead, first observed red with a white center, As it flew it started changing colors .
.2 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uc5jk/may_27_2023_1239am_1246am_central_texas/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, fleet, following one after the other, 9 objects observed, orange 🟠, central Texas , fire lanterns
.3 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ua44u/multiple_ufos_moving_slowly_across_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, fleet, one with pulsating lights, Chicago Illinois, urban area, bird for comparison, moving slowly
.4 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uw9xo/what_is_this_in_the_sky/ video, nighttime sky, hard to see
.5 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvzb0/remember_the_ufo_over_ohare_in_2006_i_do_and_i/ sighting description, Chicago O'Hare incident, daytime cloudy sky, single object stationary duration 40 minutes, over airport, sudden departure upward
.6 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uh4fm/south_shore_long_island_52823/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, single light object moving fast, contemporaneous report, South shore long Island New York state, similar sightings in comments , flew over the witness home
.7 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uir4j/drone_pic_caught_tonight_may_28th/ photo, nighttime sky, from drone, fourlights, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, Cumming Georgia
.8 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13unyx1/sphere_over_my_garden_only_visible_with_thermal/ video, nighttime, single light object, from infrared, not visible to eye, low over backyard, Cologne Germany 🇩🇪
.9 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uwo25/seen_over_naperville_il_52823_10pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, Naperville Illinois, silent , single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving fast, sudden acceleration
.10 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v36gv/fort_myers_florida_52623/ video from live image, daytime cloudy sky, fort Meyers Florida, single dark object moving fast downward, batman balloon type
.11 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ujn1k/ufo_or_satellite/ sighting description, nighttime, single light object moving fast, trajectory change observed, curved to the left, multicolored, Puerto Vallarta Mexico 🇲🇽
.12 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvohu/plasma_ball_shoots_away_from_me_when_trying_to/ video, nighttime sky, from telescope, single light object, possible reaction to being filmed, vanishing, two witnesses
.13 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13umkqu/three_years_ago_i_had_a_dream_about_a/ dream description, information, Had a dream, in which I was on board a ufo and was taught about an alien society. They valued happiness, self-actualization, and belonging. They understood the existence of thoughtforms and embraced temporary identities. Their economy focused on equality, less waste, and innovation. They had an AI-operated bank and emphasized education and direct democracy
.14 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13td1at/the_exact_spot_where_the_girls_spotted_the_alien/ original research, varginha incident, photo of location
.15 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13utjka/followed_weird_light_that_jumped_over_anothe video, nighttime sky, moving stars, north Florida, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, it would move rapidly, stop, backtrack and then go forward again all at varying speeds and there was no sound at all., silent
.16 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13uy3g7/mantis_phobia/ childhood experience description, entity, mantis type, emotion of fear
.17 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uh7g1/spotted_above_columbus_oh_today_still_hovering/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, observed stationary, Columbus Ohio https://old.reddit.com/Columbus/comments/13ty4an/power_outage/ possible electronic effects power outage
.18 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v97pu/visited_the_site_of_the_rendlesham_incident_today/ photos, site of the rendlesham forest incident, art 🎨, sculpture, daytime
.19 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vwqjs/my_girlfriend_just_sent_me_this_is_it_a_drone_a/ video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, tictac, low over rooftop, Umbria Italy 🇮🇹, "Airplane"
.20 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vbo2g/legit_curious_are_there_other_experiencers_on/ discussion of close events, sighting description and drawing, family story, Texas, nighttime, low over rooftops, flying saucer, three objects, three witnesses, [GOODPOST], possible reaction to being observed, trajectory change, similar sightings in comments
.21 https://old.reddit.com/Cleveland/comments/13uvy4e/two_f16_fly_by_west_cleveland/jm4pdu9/ sighting description, cylinder, Cleveland Ohio, possible military response, jets https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vaa33/f16_flybys_near_cleveland_on_memorial_day/ description, airplane anomaly , unusual flight path signs and appearance
.22 https://old.reddit.com/StLouis/comments/13vook6/anyone_else_see_some_weird_shapes_in_the_sky/ photos, daytime cloudy sky, st Louis Missouri, contemporaneous report, single dark object, irregular blocky shape, angular, stationary, urban area, three objects, possible partially cloaked triangle
.23 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vz1mo/possible_ufo_sighting_in_west_nashville/ video, daytime cloudy sky, tubulapill shaped metallic object, tictac, silent, plane for comparison, very bright , Nashville Tennessee , downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, ignoring OP data, big debunker energy
.24 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vc0cl/happening_right_now_in_buga_columbia_755pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, buga Colombia 🇨🇴 , single light object, zigzag movements observed, up and down, flareup observed
.25 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vcezf/strange_drones_before_drones_were_a_thing_in_the/ sighting description, three witnesses, three objects, nighttime, fleet, grid pattern trajectory., repeat three times, approach, flew overhead, wasp 🐝 shape , stationary, sudden departure,
.26 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uul0m/4chan_gov_ufo_whistleblower_video_i_made_using_a/ video recreation of sighting description, underwater UFOs
.27 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vdn76/starlink/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet observed, blue 🔵, following one after the other, Miami Florida, contemporaneous report, two witnesses
.28 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vx1ma/the_four_major_categories_of_ufos_reported_in_the/ image, ufo shapes by decade
.29 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vkwz5/i_saw_multiple_lights_dancing_in_the_sky_last/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, fleet, moving stars, dancing, up and down and left to right, single object flashing
.30 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vzh5u/orb_sighting_over_norther_arizona/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, over northern Arizona, duration 20-30 seconds, single dark object, black ⚫️ dot observed , lighting configuration change observed, began to glow and shimmer , interaction with clouds, cut a channel and illuminated
.31 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vraeh/are_ufouap_sightings_increasing_or_am_i_just/ discussion of sighting frequency
.32 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vudz1/i_need_to_get_this_sleep_paralysis_episode_off_my/ experience description, sleep paralysis, information transfer
.33 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vx3du/saw_a_shape_burned_into_my_eyes_after_meditating/ experience description, crop circle, hexagonal shape
.34 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uuioy/2_flashing_ufos_caught_on_cam_in_broad_daylight/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, twolights observed, flashing, oldham England the UK 🇬🇧, very bright
.35 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13w48i0/moving_56_objects/ sighting description, moving stars, two witnesses
.36 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w6q2q/my_younger_brother_saw_this_flying_through_the/ photos, daytime sky, single light object, tictac, downvoted to zero, contemporaneous report, Middlesex County Massachusetts, OP comments downvoted
.37 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w8np3/same_object_different_video_to_corroborate/ video, nighttime sky, single light object moving fast, similar sighting to number.6 above., coastal Maine, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.38 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13woova/bright_orange_fiery_lights_in_the_sky_turned_into/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, three witnesses, single light object appearing and vanishing, orange 🟠, Oregon, mothership also observed, described as a huge ship covered in bright orange lights and i mean covered. it was like the movies., my brother said it opened up like a mouth, but like an accordion. he said it closed after that and it vanished.
.39 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wvq41/ufo_sighting/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, moving star, observed vanishing and reappearing, two witnesses, fleet observed, diverse trajectories
.40 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpbhl/ufo_spotted_in_albuquerque_new_mexico_early/ sighting description and map, contemporaneous report, Albuquerque new Mexico, has anyone seen?,nighttime, two witnesses, from car, flying saucer, very bright, yellow lights 🟡, low to the ground , emotion of fear, duration 30-40 seconds
.41 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13weffz/i_caught_a_ufo_above_the_tree_line_right_before/ video and still image, hard to see, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object , from dashcam, Olympia Washington
.42 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpjjy/those_who_have_seen_ufos_did_you_have_this_same/ sighting descriptions, two flying disks that were silver, and silver sphere hovering over a military base, discussion of thoughts, possible telepathy, "tell no one, nobody will believe you.", similar experiences in comments, [GOODPOST]
.43 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13x1akm/my_sister_saw_this_on_her_way_home_in_normal/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, twolights, diffuse, buzzing noise, sudden departure
.44 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13wgv5t/white_orb_may_13_2022_video_analysis_digital/ video, nighttime sky, single light object
.45 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13v3cj2/took_this_in_december_2020/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, two objects, single light object, single dark object elongated, possible cigar or disk shape
.46 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13uxpa9/close_encounter_3rd_type_alien_witnessed/ experience description, entity, Ballarat Victoria Australia 🇦🇺, dark humanoid figure, possible reaction to being observed, vanishing, then the object it was standing on had a single orange light turn on, it raised slowly in a side to side motion turned vertical and then flew off faster than anything I’ve ever seen in my life, sudden departure , nighttime, contemporaneous report
.47 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13vaxw3/what_is_this/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object, vanishing, low over rooftop, duration 10 minutes, red 🔴
.48 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgi7a/amazing_shapeshifting_ufo_video_i_captured/ video, shape change observed, Cincinnati Ohio
.49 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgcrv/2_uaps_escorted_by_2_fighter_jets_israel/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, UAP and jets, possible military response, Israel 🇮🇱
.47 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13wxi24/nasa_group_studying_ufos_stresses_need_for_bette CBS News getting downvoted on the space sub for posting about the nasa UAP panel 🙃
.48 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wc4r0/another_one_for_your_consideration/jmeu5lh/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, new jersey, nighttime, emotion of fear, fleet and mothership, close, rectangular
.49 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xnod4/sighting_53023/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, starlink
.50 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xoxn1/a_weird_set_of_lights_i_saw_tonight_above_new/ video, nighttime sky, two witnesses, plasma stuff, blue 🔵 and white, elongated, stationary, shimmering, lighting configuration change, new Delhi India 🇮🇳, contemporaneous report , silent, observed duration 10 minutes , low over rooftops, [GOODPOST]
.51 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xl795/this_video_was_taken_by_a_good_friend_of_mine_on/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, from Denver Colorado to el paso Texas, western USA, single light object, possible disk shape,possible reaction to being observed, sudden departure
.52 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13xsywv/bizarre_experience/ experience description, location anomaly, unfamiliar surroundings, from car, emotion of fear and unease, duration 5 minutes
.53 https://old.reddit.com/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/13xvgrx/what_did_i_see_as_a_child/ childhood sighting description, bedroom, nighttime, entity, humanoid figure, blue lightning 🔵
.54 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13wthum/eerie_radio_transmission_interrupting_regula audio anomaly, radio, it was almost like what the 1980s would expect a robot to sound like if it communicated in bleeps. There was no static. The “bleeps” were clear and included pauses. It continued for about 15 seconds
.55 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xu1o0/not_sure_what_this_is_call_for_help/ photos, evening cloudy sky, over water, Atlantic ocean, kitty hawk north Carolina, rectangular shape
.56 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y4t9c/lightsorbs_over_my_home_in_merced_county/ video, nighttime sky, Merced County California, contemporaneous report , fleet observed, witness went outside, two groups, V formation, two witnesses, duration 10 minutes All together there had to be like 12-15 and there was always one slightly larger one in the back of the v formation., triangle, threelights , silent, emotion of fear, spooked, orange 🟠, animal reaction dogs barking, went nuts, objects did not seem hostile, just passing through, [GOODPOST]
.57 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y9yp8/i_think_i_saw_a_ufouap/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, single object, two witnesses, daytime, Michigan, shaped like a cylinder or flat in some way., haze around it, electronic effects did not show up in photos, emotional reaction awe, it was awesome
.58 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xyfnh/6123_santa_ana_ca_522pm_zig_zagge video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, santa Ana California, zigzag movements, single dark object, repeat visitor
.59 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y1zxm/does_anyone_know_anyone_whos_seen_an_alien_or_ufo/ discussion of sightings
.60 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y979c/color_changing_orbs_house_vibrating_morse_code/ sighting description, nighttime, two witnesses, fleet, low below treeline, multicolored, changing colors from reds to blues to greens 🔴🔵🟢, green flash, passed the window, multiple passes, physical effects vibration, pulsating, Morse code "hello, hello, hello" over and over for another 10 mins
.61 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yar5q/abduction/ experience description, possible abduction, onset of fatigue, anomaly inside home, moving blur, sensation of floating, family history, brother experienced the same, event amnesia, This then unlocked other dreams that I had from when I was much younger that I have still yet to process, repeat visitors
.62 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13y5evm/i_saw_a_ufo_in_australia_in_the_1980s_ama_i_guess/ sighting description, Australia 🇦🇺 , three witnesses, silent, close, observed moving and stationary, sudden departure, golden, oval, pulsating, physical effects paralysis
.63 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yiyt4/which_planets_are_this/ nighttime, single light object https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yg1lq/what_is_this/ more pictures https://old.reddit.com/astrophotography/comments/13xyc5w/venus_approaching_half_phase/ reference image of venus at half phase, contemporaneous report
.64 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yhkgv/very_strange_phone_experience_with_reddit_app/ experience description, eyes 👀 looking back
.65 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y2j94/i_had_seen_2_big_circular_crafts_above_the_clouds/ sighting description, lights above the clouds, diffuse, circular, twolights, storm, nighttime cloudy sky, Tucson Arizona
.66 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/13y23vi/weird_line_in_clouds_no_idea_what_is_going_on/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, horizontal line, separation , possible blue light in clouds
.67 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13xxdav/i_saw_aliens_today/ experience description, entity, contemporaneous report, daytime, information transfer, they needed help
.68 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ykdho/tic_tac_ufo/ video, daytime sky, single light object moving, tictac, silent, possible splitting or jumpy movement at the end of the video
.69 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yj9t1/for_your_consideration_june_1st_2023/ video, daytime sky, Ohio, duration 20 seconds, cubensphere, boxy orb,
.70 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yr2ud/could_someone_help_make_sense_of_these_pics_taken/ photo, nighttime sky, possible disk, "long exposure of airplane", no craft visible to witness, Southeast England the UK 🇬🇧
.71 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xzz05/semi_edited_video_of_the_one_i_posted_on_here/ video followup to previous post, nighttime sky, single light object, Decatur Alabama, vanishing
.72 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yk4yp/odd_lights_in_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, Glendale Arizona, two witnesses, duration 30 seconds, fleet, flashing, [GOODPOST]
.73 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y5mvg/strange_light_moving_slowly_in_the_sky_ove video, nighttime sky, single light object, observed moving erratically, multicolored 🌈, Queensland Australia, duration 20 minutes, Moving slowly up and down and seemingly from side to side at times
.74 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ysp3v/orange_orbes_over_naarden_the_netherlands/ video, nighttime sky, twolights, orange 🟠, naarden the Netherlands 🇳🇱 , urban area, nice long 4 minute video, vanishing and reappearing , contemporaneous report, [GOODPOST]
.75 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytkzq/strange_pink_jellylike_substance_from_the_sky/ experience description and photo, pink jelly falling from sky, transparent, reddish
.76 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13ys1ug/my_friend_sent_me_this/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored, blue, purple, red, white and green 🔵🟣🔴⚪️🟢, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting
.77 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yvvmp/tumbling_uap_vancouver_april_30th_2023/ video, daytime cloudy sky, Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦, single dark object moving straight, tumbling, similar sightings in comments
.78 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yxk6b/what_is_that_a_satellite_top_left_it_was_moving/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object moving, contemporaneous report, urban area, near Washington DC, physical effects it felt like a magnet pushing the phone away
.79 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yz1yz/waking_dream_vision/ experience description, dream or vision, entities, blue 🔵, physical effects felt grabbed on left arm, information transfer, He said to me, "As I have grabbed your arm, someone has grabbed mine" and then let me go
.80 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yepi7/pan/ experience description, entity, the god Pan
.81 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zihv5/an_honest_question/jmrvkd6/?context=3 childhood sighting description, upper Peninsula Michigan, two witnesses, nighttime, dim circle of lights, physical effects paralysis
.82 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zn6jc/portal_thingy/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single object blackwhite, shield 🛡 shaped, Temescal Valley California
.83 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zpvp6/my_ufo_sightinghas_anyone_ever_seen_fibonacci/ detailed sighting description, nighttime, camping, Galeton Pennsylvania, Suddenly I noticed when I looked into the sky that the entire sky - I mean every inch of night - was a swirling mass of interlocking Fibonacci spirals., two witnesses, additional objects observed moving and stationary, they stopped, flashed back and forth in strange blue and purplish light as if talking to each other, and then simultaneously shot straight up into the air, side by side, and vanished.🔵🟣, sudden departure upward, [GOODPOST], luring, splitting,emotional reaction anxiety, sleep disruption
.84 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yz5m3/the_phenomena_of_things_flying_off_the_shelf/ discussion of things flying off a shelf.
.85 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zl7d7/uap_in_pic_zoom_in/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, Nevada, single object, blackwhite, possible pyramid
.86 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zsj7q/seen_in_boston_ma_62/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, contemporaneous report, Boston Massachusetts, urban area, fleet, "birds", downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, deleted
.87 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zv038/light_at_night/ sighting description, single light object moving fast downward, entering the earth, contemporaneous report, thuringia nordhausen Germany 🇩🇪 ,nighttime , duration 4 seconds, blue 🔵, silent
.88 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zw86p/can_anyone_explain_these/ video, nighttime sky, st Petersburg Florida, single light object moving erratically, similar sightings in comments, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.89 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zy7d5/ufo_drone_stationary_plane/ sighting, possible drone, very bright, observed moving and stationary, silent
.90 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140c1th/the_mysterious_event_that_my_father_witnessed_a/ sighting description, family story, earthquake, purple smoke cloud, diffuse, 🟣, electronic effects radio interference, jellyfish, entities, shape change observed, flying saucer, red lights 🔴, rotating, sudden departure upward, duration 5-10 minutes, nighttime, Izmet Turkey 🇹🇷, similar sighting in comments
.91 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1409rk4/looked_like_a_satellite_but_it_disappeared_quickly/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object moving, observed vanishing, Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺, Chinese space station (TIANHE-1).
.92 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1403t51/a_couple_days_ago_i_heard_a_weird_almost_hovering/ audio description, wawawawawa sound, over the witness home, nighttime, two witnesses, ongoing activity, entity, animal reaction dog noticed it, contemporaneous report, similar audio experience in comments
.93 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zw6sv/got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is_what_i/ video, from home security camera, inside home, single light object moving , Tennessee https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zza39/update_2_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zxfd0/update_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video
.94 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140bmuo/ufo_sighting_when_i_was_younger_wonder_if_anyone/ sighting description and reference image, triangle, Red lights 🔴, has anyone seen?, similar sightings in comments, perception discrepancy other witness didn't see it , nighttime, from car, pacing car
.95 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140gfkp/2008_october_6/ sighting description, dawn, fleet, dancing, moving erratically, approach or flareup, urban area, two witnesses, duration 20 minutes
.96 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140d2pd/source_of_high_pitchfrequency_sound/ audio description, high pitched sound
.97 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zz6dz/unidentified_lightning_fast_creature/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, entity
.98 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zukt3/are_aliens_real/ experience description, entity , aftereffects drawing shapes, and illness
.99 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140i2ob/help_id_drone_or_something_else/ photos, nighttime sky, single object, Scottish Highlands on the North Sea Scotland, repeat visitor, possible military response jets, "lens flare"
.100 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytjc6/strange_phone_calls_what_is_this_thing_that/ audio anomaly, strange noise, phone call, repeat visitor
.101 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140jvta/can_someone_please_describe_what_the_orange_orbs/ childhood sighting description, nighttime, single light object, orange 🟠, flareup, splitting into threelights, moving horizontally and descending down, very bright, darkness bright as day, multiple witnesses, made the news, "comet", similar sighting in comments , downvoted to zero
.102 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/140jt9i/storm_clouds_after_dusk_do_you_see_the_squiggles/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, anomalous lightning, possible blue light in clouds, storm , Colorado
.103 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140n3f6/just_heard_a_boom_that_shook_the_house_a_few/ audio description, loud boom, contemporaneous report, physical effects house shook
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.1 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13ucs3i/ultra_colorful_light_ball_flys_in_the_night_sky/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving, color change observed, flew overhead, first observed red with a white center, As it flew it started changing colors .
.2 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uc5jk/may_27_2023_1239am_1246am_central_texas/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, fleet, following one after the other, 9 objects observed, orange 🟠, central Texas , fire lanterns
.3 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ua44u/multiple_ufos_moving_slowly_across_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, fleet, one with pulsating lights, Chicago Illinois, urban area, bird for comparison, moving slowly
.4 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uw9xo/what_is_this_in_the_sky/ video, nighttime sky, hard to see
.5 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvzb0/remember_the_ufo_over_ohare_in_2006_i_do_and_i/ sighting description, Chicago O'Hare incident, daytime cloudy sky, single object stationary duration 40 minutes, over airport, sudden departure upward
.6 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uh4fm/south_shore_long_island_52823/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, single light object moving fast, contemporaneous report, South shore long Island New York state, similar sightings in comments , flew over the witness home
.7 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uir4j/drone_pic_caught_tonight_may_28th/ photo, nighttime sky, from drone, fourlights, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, Cumming Georgia
.8 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13unyx1/sphere_over_my_garden_only_visible_with_thermal/ video, nighttime, single light object, from infrared, not visible to eye, low over backyard, Cologne Germany 🇩🇪
.9 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uwo25/seen_over_naperville_il_52823_10pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, Naperville Illinois, silent , single light object, multicolored 🌈, observed moving fast, sudden acceleration
.10 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v36gv/fort_myers_florida_52623/ video from live image, daytime cloudy sky, fort Meyers Florida, single dark object moving fast downward, batman balloon type
.11 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ujn1k/ufo_or_satellite/ sighting description, nighttime, single light object moving fast, trajectory change observed, curved to the left, multicolored, Puerto Vallarta Mexico 🇲🇽
.12 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uvohu/plasma_ball_shoots_away_from_me_when_trying_to/ video, nighttime sky, from telescope, single light object, possible reaction to being filmed, vanishing, two witnesses
.13 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13umkqu/three_years_ago_i_had_a_dream_about_a/ dream description, information, Had a dream, in which I was on board a ufo and was taught about an alien society. They valued happiness, self-actualization, and belonging. They understood the existence of thoughtforms and embraced temporary identities. Their economy focused on equality, less waste, and innovation. They had an AI-operated bank and emphasized education and direct democracy
.14 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13td1at/the_exact_spot_where_the_girls_spotted_the_alien/ original research, varginha incident, photo of location
.15 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13utjka/followed_weird_light_that_jumped_over_anothe video, nighttime sky, moving stars, north Florida, contemporaneous report, similar sighting in comments, it would move rapidly, stop, backtrack and then go forward again all at varying speeds and there was no sound at all., silent
.16 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13uy3g7/mantis_phobia/ childhood experience description, entity, mantis type, emotion of fear
.17 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uh7g1/spotted_above_columbus_oh_today_still_hovering/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object, observed stationary, Columbus Ohio https://old.reddit.com/Columbus/comments/13ty4an/power_outage/ possible electronic effects power outage
.18 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13v97pu/visited_the_site_of_the_rendlesham_incident_today/ photos, site of the rendlesham forest incident, art 🎨, sculpture, daytime
.19 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vwqjs/my_girlfriend_just_sent_me_this_is_it_a_drone_a/ video, daytime cloudy sky, contemporaneous report, single light object, tictac, low over rooftop, Umbria Italy 🇮🇹, "Airplane"
.20 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vbo2g/legit_curious_are_there_other_experiencers_on/ discussion of close events, sighting description and drawing, family story, Texas, nighttime, low over rooftops, flying saucer, three objects, three witnesses, [GOODPOST], possible reaction to being observed, trajectory change, similar sightings in comments
.21 https://old.reddit.com/Cleveland/comments/13uvy4e/two_f16_fly_by_west_cleveland/jm4pdu9/ sighting description, cylinder, Cleveland Ohio, possible military response, jets https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vaa33/f16_flybys_near_cleveland_on_memorial_day/ description, airplane anomaly , unusual flight path signs and appearance
.22 https://old.reddit.com/StLouis/comments/13vook6/anyone_else_see_some_weird_shapes_in_the_sky/ photos, daytime cloudy sky, st Louis Missouri, contemporaneous report, single dark object, irregular blocky shape, angular, stationary, urban area, three objects, possible partially cloaked triangle
.23 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vz1mo/possible_ufo_sighting_in_west_nashville/ video, daytime cloudy sky, tubulapill shaped metallic object, tictac, silent, plane for comparison, very bright , Nashville Tennessee , downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, ignoring OP data, big debunker energy
.24 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vc0cl/happening_right_now_in_buga_columbia_755pm/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting, buga Colombia 🇨🇴 , single light object, zigzag movements observed, up and down, flareup observed
.25 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vcezf/strange_drones_before_drones_were_a_thing_in_the/ sighting description, three witnesses, three objects, nighttime, fleet, grid pattern trajectory., repeat three times, approach, flew overhead, wasp 🐝 shape , stationary, sudden departure,
.26 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13uul0m/4chan_gov_ufo_whistleblower_video_i_made_using_a/ video recreation of sighting description, underwater UFOs
.27 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vdn76/starlink/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, fleet observed, blue 🔵, following one after the other, Miami Florida, contemporaneous report, two witnesses
.28 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vx1ma/the_four_major_categories_of_ufos_reported_in_the/ image, ufo shapes by decade
.29 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vkwz5/i_saw_multiple_lights_dancing_in_the_sky_last/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, fleet, moving stars, dancing, up and down and left to right, single object flashing
.30 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13vzh5u/orb_sighting_over_norther_arizona/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, over northern Arizona, duration 20-30 seconds, single dark object, black ⚫️ dot observed , lighting configuration change observed, began to glow and shimmer , interaction with clouds, cut a channel and illuminated
.31 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vraeh/are_ufouap_sightings_increasing_or_am_i_just/ discussion of sighting frequency
.32 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vudz1/i_need_to_get_this_sleep_paralysis_episode_off_my/ experience description, sleep paralysis, information transfer
.33 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13vx3du/saw_a_shape_burned_into_my_eyes_after_meditating/ experience description, crop circle, hexagonal shape
.34 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13uuioy/2_flashing_ufos_caught_on_cam_in_broad_daylight/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, twolights observed, flashing, oldham England the UK 🇬🇧, very bright
.35 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13w48i0/moving_56_objects/ sighting description, moving stars, two witnesses
.36 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w6q2q/my_younger_brother_saw_this_flying_through_the/ photos, daytime sky, single light object, tictac, downvoted to zero, contemporaneous report, Middlesex County Massachusetts, OP comments downvoted
.37 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13w8np3/same_object_different_video_to_corroborate/ video, nighttime sky, single light object moving fast, similar sighting to number.6 above., coastal Maine, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.38 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13woova/bright_orange_fiery_lights_in_the_sky_turned_into/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, three witnesses, single light object appearing and vanishing, orange 🟠, Oregon, mothership also observed, described as a huge ship covered in bright orange lights and i mean covered. it was like the movies., my brother said it opened up like a mouth, but like an accordion. he said it closed after that and it vanished.
.39 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wvq41/ufo_sighting/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, moving star, observed vanishing and reappearing, two witnesses, fleet observed, diverse trajectories
.40 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpbhl/ufo_spotted_in_albuquerque_new_mexico_early/ sighting description and map, contemporaneous report, Albuquerque new Mexico, has anyone seen?,nighttime, two witnesses, from car, flying saucer, very bright, yellow lights 🟡, low to the ground , emotion of fear, duration 30-40 seconds
.41 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13weffz/i_caught_a_ufo_above_the_tree_line_right_before/ video and still image, hard to see, daytime cloudy sky, single dark object , from dashcam, Olympia Washington
.42 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wpjjy/those_who_have_seen_ufos_did_you_have_this_same/ sighting descriptions, two flying disks that were silver, and silver sphere hovering over a military base, discussion of thoughts, possible telepathy, "tell no one, nobody will believe you.", similar experiences in comments, [GOODPOST]
.43 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13x1akm/my_sister_saw_this_on_her_way_home_in_normal/ video, nighttime cloudy sky, twolights, diffuse, buzzing noise, sudden departure
.44 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13wgv5t/white_orb_may_13_2022_video_analysis_digital/ video, nighttime sky, single light object
.45 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13v3cj2/took_this_in_december_2020/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, two objects, single light object, single dark object elongated, possible cigar or disk shape
.46 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13uxpa9/close_encounter_3rd_type_alien_witnessed/ experience description, entity, Ballarat Victoria Australia 🇦🇺, dark humanoid figure, possible reaction to being observed, vanishing, then the object it was standing on had a single orange light turn on, it raised slowly in a side to side motion turned vertical and then flew off faster than anything I’ve ever seen in my life, sudden departure , nighttime, contemporaneous report
.47 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13vaxw3/what_is_this/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object, vanishing, low over rooftop, duration 10 minutes, red 🔴
.48 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgi7a/amazing_shapeshifting_ufo_video_i_captured/ video, shape change observed, Cincinnati Ohio
.49 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13wgcrv/2_uaps_escorted_by_2_fighter_jets_israel/ video, hard to see, daytime sky, UAP and jets, possible military response, Israel 🇮🇱
.47 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13wxi24/nasa_group_studying_ufos_stresses_need_for_bette CBS News getting downvoted on the space sub for posting about the nasa UAP panel 🙃
.48 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13wc4r0/another_one_for_your_consideration/jmeu5lh/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, new jersey, nighttime, emotion of fear, fleet and mothership, close, rectangular
.49 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xnod4/sighting_53023/ video, nighttime sky, threelights, starlink
.50 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xoxn1/a_weird_set_of_lights_i_saw_tonight_above_new/ video, nighttime sky, two witnesses, plasma stuff, blue 🔵 and white, elongated, stationary, shimmering, lighting configuration change, new Delhi India 🇮🇳, contemporaneous report , silent, observed duration 10 minutes , low over rooftops, [GOODPOST]
.51 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xl795/this_video_was_taken_by_a_good_friend_of_mine_on/ video, daytime cloudy sky, from airplane, from Denver Colorado to el paso Texas, western USA, single light object, possible disk shape,possible reaction to being observed, sudden departure
.52 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13xsywv/bizarre_experience/ experience description, location anomaly, unfamiliar surroundings, from car, emotion of fear and unease, duration 5 minutes
.53 https://old.reddit.com/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/13xvgrx/what_did_i_see_as_a_child/ childhood sighting description, bedroom, nighttime, entity, humanoid figure, blue lightning 🔵
.54 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13wthum/eerie_radio_transmission_interrupting_regula audio anomaly, radio, it was almost like what the 1980s would expect a robot to sound like if it communicated in bleeps. There was no static. The “bleeps” were clear and included pauses. It continued for about 15 seconds
.55 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xu1o0/not_sure_what_this_is_call_for_help/ photos, evening cloudy sky, over water, Atlantic ocean, kitty hawk north Carolina, rectangular shape
.56 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y4t9c/lightsorbs_over_my_home_in_merced_county/ video, nighttime sky, Merced County California, contemporaneous report , fleet observed, witness went outside, two groups, V formation, two witnesses, duration 10 minutes All together there had to be like 12-15 and there was always one slightly larger one in the back of the v formation., triangle, threelights , silent, emotion of fear, spooked, orange 🟠, animal reaction dogs barking, went nuts, objects did not seem hostile, just passing through, [GOODPOST]
.57 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y9yp8/i_think_i_saw_a_ufouap/ sighting description, contemporaneous report, single object, two witnesses, daytime, Michigan, shaped like a cylinder or flat in some way., haze around it, electronic effects did not show up in photos, emotional reaction awe, it was awesome
.58 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xyfnh/6123_santa_ana_ca_522pm_zig_zagge video, daytime sky, contemporaneous report, santa Ana California, zigzag movements, single dark object, repeat visitor
.59 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y1zxm/does_anyone_know_anyone_whos_seen_an_alien_or_ufo/ discussion of sightings
.60 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y979c/color_changing_orbs_house_vibrating_morse_code/ sighting description, nighttime, two witnesses, fleet, low below treeline, multicolored, changing colors from reds to blues to greens 🔴🔵🟢, green flash, passed the window, multiple passes, physical effects vibration, pulsating, Morse code "hello, hello, hello" over and over for another 10 mins
.61 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yar5q/abduction/ experience description, possible abduction, onset of fatigue, anomaly inside home, moving blur, sensation of floating, family history, brother experienced the same, event amnesia, This then unlocked other dreams that I had from when I was much younger that I have still yet to process, repeat visitors
.62 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13y5evm/i_saw_a_ufo_in_australia_in_the_1980s_ama_i_guess/ sighting description, Australia 🇦🇺 , three witnesses, silent, close, observed moving and stationary, sudden departure, golden, oval, pulsating, physical effects paralysis
.63 https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yiyt4/which_planets_are_this/ nighttime, single light object https://old.reddit.com/space/comments/13yg1lq/what_is_this/ more pictures https://old.reddit.com/astrophotography/comments/13xyc5w/venus_approaching_half_phase/ reference image of venus at half phase, contemporaneous report
.64 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yhkgv/very_strange_phone_experience_with_reddit_app/ experience description, eyes 👀 looking back
.65 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13y2j94/i_had_seen_2_big_circular_crafts_above_the_clouds/ sighting description, lights above the clouds, diffuse, circular, twolights, storm, nighttime cloudy sky, Tucson Arizona
.66 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/13y23vi/weird_line_in_clouds_no_idea_what_is_going_on/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, cloud anomaly, horizontal line, separation , possible blue light in clouds
.67 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13xxdav/i_saw_aliens_today/ experience description, entity, contemporaneous report, daytime, information transfer, they needed help
.68 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ykdho/tic_tac_ufo/ video, daytime sky, single light object moving, tictac, silent, possible splitting or jumpy movement at the end of the video
.69 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yj9t1/for_your_consideration_june_1st_2023/ video, daytime sky, Ohio, duration 20 seconds, cubensphere, boxy orb,
.70 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yr2ud/could_someone_help_make_sense_of_these_pics_taken/ photo, nighttime sky, possible disk, "long exposure of airplane", no craft visible to witness, Southeast England the UK 🇬🇧
.71 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13xzz05/semi_edited_video_of_the_one_i_posted_on_here/ video followup to previous post, nighttime sky, single light object, Decatur Alabama, vanishing
.72 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yk4yp/odd_lights_in_the_sky/ video, daytime sky, Glendale Arizona, two witnesses, duration 30 seconds, fleet, flashing, [GOODPOST]
.73 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13y5mvg/strange_light_moving_slowly_in_the_sky_ove video, nighttime sky, single light object, observed moving erratically, multicolored 🌈, Queensland Australia, duration 20 minutes, Moving slowly up and down and seemingly from side to side at times
.74 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13ysp3v/orange_orbes_over_naarden_the_netherlands/ video, nighttime sky, twolights, orange 🟠, naarden the Netherlands 🇳🇱 , urban area, nice long 4 minute video, vanishing and reappearing , contemporaneous report, [GOODPOST]
.75 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytkzq/strange_pink_jellylike_substance_from_the_sky/ experience description and photo, pink jelly falling from sky, transparent, reddish
.76 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13ys1ug/my_friend_sent_me_this/ video, nighttime sky, single light object, multicolored, blue, purple, red, white and green 🔵🟣🔴⚪️🟢, contemporaneous report, happening at time of posting
.77 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yvvmp/tumbling_uap_vancouver_april_30th_2023/ video, daytime cloudy sky, Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦, single dark object moving straight, tumbling, similar sightings in comments
.78 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13yxk6b/what_is_that_a_satellite_top_left_it_was_moving/ photos, nighttime sky, single light object moving, contemporaneous report, urban area, near Washington DC, physical effects it felt like a magnet pushing the phone away
.79 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/13yz1yz/waking_dream_vision/ experience description, dream or vision, entities, blue 🔵, physical effects felt grabbed on left arm, information transfer, He said to me, "As I have grabbed your arm, someone has grabbed mine" and then let me go
.80 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yepi7/pan/ experience description, entity, the god Pan
.81 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zihv5/an_honest_question/jmrvkd6/?context=3 childhood sighting description, upper Peninsula Michigan, two witnesses, nighttime, dim circle of lights, physical effects paralysis
.82 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zn6jc/portal_thingy/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, single object blackwhite, shield 🛡 shaped, Temescal Valley California
.83 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zpvp6/my_ufo_sightinghas_anyone_ever_seen_fibonacci/ detailed sighting description, nighttime, camping, Galeton Pennsylvania, Suddenly I noticed when I looked into the sky that the entire sky - I mean every inch of night - was a swirling mass of interlocking Fibonacci spirals., two witnesses, additional objects observed moving and stationary, they stopped, flashed back and forth in strange blue and purplish light as if talking to each other, and then simultaneously shot straight up into the air, side by side, and vanished.🔵🟣, sudden departure upward, [GOODPOST], luring, splitting,emotional reaction anxiety, sleep disruption
.84 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13yz5m3/the_phenomena_of_things_flying_off_the_shelf/ discussion of things flying off a shelf.
.85 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zl7d7/uap_in_pic_zoom_in/ photo, daytime cloudy sky, Nevada, single object, blackwhite, possible pyramid
.86 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zsj7q/seen_in_boston_ma_62/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, contemporaneous report, Boston Massachusetts, urban area, fleet, "birds", downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted, deleted
.87 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/13zv038/light_at_night/ sighting description, single light object moving fast downward, entering the earth, contemporaneous report, thuringia nordhausen Germany 🇩🇪 ,nighttime , duration 4 seconds, blue 🔵, silent
.88 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zw86p/can_anyone_explain_these/ video, nighttime sky, st Petersburg Florida, single light object moving erratically, similar sightings in comments, downvoted to zero, OP comments downvoted
.89 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/13zy7d5/ufo_drone_stationary_plane/ sighting, possible drone, very bright, observed moving and stationary, silent
.90 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140c1th/the_mysterious_event_that_my_father_witnessed_a/ sighting description, family story, earthquake, purple smoke cloud, diffuse, 🟣, electronic effects radio interference, jellyfish, entities, shape change observed, flying saucer, red lights 🔴, rotating, sudden departure upward, duration 5-10 minutes, nighttime, Izmet Turkey 🇹🇷, similar sighting in comments
.91 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/1409rk4/looked_like_a_satellite_but_it_disappeared_quickly/ video, nighttime sky, contemporaneous report, single light object moving, observed vanishing, Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺, Chinese space station (TIANHE-1).
.92 https://old.reddit.com/aliens/comments/1403t51/a_couple_days_ago_i_heard_a_weird_almost_hovering/ audio description, wawawawawa sound, over the witness home, nighttime, two witnesses, ongoing activity, entity, animal reaction dog noticed it, contemporaneous report, similar audio experience in comments
.93 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zw6sv/got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is_what_i/ video, from home security camera, inside home, single light object moving , Tennessee https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zza39/update_2_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zxfd0/update_got_a_few_ring_notifications_and_this_is/ more video
.94 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140bmuo/ufo_sighting_when_i_was_younger_wonder_if_anyone/ sighting description and reference image, triangle, Red lights 🔴, has anyone seen?, similar sightings in comments, perception discrepancy other witness didn't see it , nighttime, from car, pacing car
.95 https://old.reddit.com/ufo/comments/140gfkp/2008_october_6/ sighting description, dawn, fleet, dancing, moving erratically, approach or flareup, urban area, two witnesses, duration 20 minutes
.96 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140d2pd/source_of_high_pitchfrequency_sound/ audio description, high pitched sound
.97 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zz6dz/unidentified_lightning_fast_creature/ video, nighttime sky, from home security camera, entity
.98 https://old.reddit.com/HighStrangeness/comments/13zukt3/are_aliens_real/ experience description, entity , aftereffects drawing shapes, and illness
.99 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140i2ob/help_id_drone_or_something_else/ photos, nighttime sky, single object, Scottish Highlands on the North Sea Scotland, repeat visitor, possible military response jets, "lens flare"
.100 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/13ytjc6/strange_phone_calls_what_is_this_thing_that/ audio anomaly, strange noise, phone call, repeat visitor
.101 https://old.reddit.com/UFOs/comments/140jvta/can_someone_please_describe_what_the_orange_orbs/ childhood sighting description, nighttime, single light object, orange 🟠, flareup, splitting into threelights, moving horizontally and descending down, very bright, darkness bright as day, multiple witnesses, made the news, "comet", similar sighting in comments , downvoted to zero
.102 https://old.reddit.com/CLOUDS/comments/140jt9i/storm_clouds_after_dusk_do_you_see_the_squiggles/ photo, nighttime cloudy sky, anomalous lightning, possible blue light in clouds, storm , Colorado
.103 https://old.reddit.com/RBI/comments/140n3f6/just_heard_a_boom_that_shook_the_house_a_few/ audio description, loud boom, contemporaneous report, physical effects house shook
2023.06.04 17:36 RFC2001 Rebooking Every WWE PPV from WrestleMania 1 - WrestleMania 40 - Part 45 (Long)
Judgment Day 2007
Date: 20/5/07
Location: Scottrade Center, St. Louis, Missouri
Two-out-of-Three Falls Match for the United States Championship:
MVP (c) vs Chris Benoit (2-0)
Women’s Championship:
Melina (c) vs Mickie James
Intercontinental Championship:
Bobby Lashley (c) vs Carlito
(Carlito hosts the Carlito Cabana and his guest is Bobby Lashley. Carlito says the way Bobby Lashley has disrespected Mr. McMahon is not cool but what will be cool is him winning the Intercontinental Championship. Lashley says Carlito just like Umaga can kiss Vince’s ass as much as he wants, it’s not going to result in him losing to a little punk like him.)
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The Hardy Boyz (c) vs Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch
(After the match, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas attack The Hardy’s and it’s revealed they’ve reunited!)
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Elijah Burke
(Elijah Burke attacks CM Punk on ECW and says he’s not finished with him just because he pinned Marcus Cor Von at Backlash. Burke says he’s going to clean up ECW for Vince McMahon by getting the ECW Championship off him because Vince is right, Punk is a misfit who’ll never succeed in the WWE and is only the ECW champion through pure luck. Punk says not only is ECW the land of extreme but it’s also the land of misfits and it makes him and the ECW Championship the perfect marriage. Punk promises to not lose his title to a shameless ass kisser like Elijah Burke.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Mark Henry vs Batista
(After winning the World Heavyweight Championship, Edge says once again he’s proved he’s not only the best wrestler in the company but he’s also the smartest as he watched The Undertaker take the ultimate beating before cashing in his Money in the Bank briefcase. Batista interrupts and tells Edge that he might think he’s smart but the reality is, he’s nothing but a coward who stole the World Heavyweight Championship and it won’t be long till he takes back what’s his. Mark Henry says not only is he back and took out The Undertaker, he’s going to destroy Batista again like he has before and will have no issue taking out Edge too because he has the one thing he really wants an opportunity at, the World Heavyweight Championship. Edge says both men have nothing to do with him and can stay away from his World Heavyweight Championship. However, Teddy Long disagrees and tells Edge that Batista and Mark Henry both have a case so Edge will defend his title against both men at Judgment Day. Edge is furious, already feels like Teddy Long has an agenda against him and demands to be traded back to Raw but Long denies Edge his request. During the match, Batista and Henry are so focused on beating the hell out of each other that it costs them as Edge hits a Spear out of nowhere on Batista and pins him to retain his championship.)
60 Minute Iron Man Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Shawn Michaels (6-5)
(Shawn Michaels says he had John Cena beat at Backlash and if he wasn’t lucky, he’d be the WWE Champion. Michaels then challenges Cena to defend the WWE Championship against him one more time at Judgment Day. Cena accepts the challenge because he’s a fighting champion. Michaels says he doesn’t want this to be an ordinary match and tells Cena he wants it to a match he won his first WWE Championship at WrestleMania 12, an Iron Man Match! Cena says that’s fine because Shawn Michaels is about to find out he isn’t the only iron man in the WWE. Cena also proposes for it to be for a full hour which Michaels accepts. This is essentially the match they had on Raw in London in real life but with a different outcome. John Cena wins 6-5 to retain the WWE Championship in all time classic. After the match as Shawn Michaels gets up and receives a standing ovation from the fans, Randy Orton from out of nowhere hits him with an RKO, beats the hell out of The Showstopper in front of his wife to the point he bleeds and punts him in the skull. This writes Michaels off TV.)
Notes:
(The WWE Draft takes place on the May 28th 2007 episode of Raw. The same picks as in real life occur apart from the fact Bobby Lashley doesn’t need to be drafted to Raw because he’s already a Raw superstar 😅.)
One Night Stand 2007
Date: 3/6/07
Location: Jackson Veterans Memorial Arena, Jacksonville, Florida
Tables, Ladders & Chairs Match for the WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The Hardy Boyz (c) vs The World’s Greatest Tag Team
Women’s Championship:
Mickie James (c) vs Candice Michelle
Intercontinental Championship:
Bobby Lashley (c) vs Carlito vs Umaga w/Armando Estrada
(Umaga wins the championship after pinning Carlito thanks to Shane McMahon attacking Bobby Lashley who was on verge of retaining his title.)
Street Fight:
Kane vs Mark Henry
(Kane goes after Mark Henry and promises there will be vengeance after what he did to his brother The Undertaker. Henry says Kane doesn’t intimidate him just like The Undertaker doesn’t and he’s just another man on his path of destruction.)
Stretcher Match:
Rob Van Dam vs Randy Orton
(This is Van Dam’s last match in the company for a while as he leaves for TNA.)
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Chris Benoit
(Vince McMahon says he’s confident for sure that CM Punk’s days as ECW champion are rightfully numbered because he’ll be defending his title against the new draft pick… Chris Benoit! Benoit says Punk’s a talented wrestler but he’s no Chris Benoit, the greatest technical wrestler on the planet. Punk says he has a huge level of respect for what Benoit’s accomplished in his wrestling career but he sees this as a massive opportunity to prove doubters like Vince McMahon wrong and he’ll ensure he does in what’s no doubt his biggest challenge since winning the ECW Championship. CM Punk wins clean to retain.)
Steel Cage Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Batista
(Batista says that weasel Edge being the World Champion makes him sick and promises he’ll destroy him and take back the title. Edge says Batista doesn’t deserve another chance at the World Championship but Theodore Long disagrees and says Batista’s two one on one rematches for the title never had a definitive finish so he announces Edge will face Batista at One Night Stand and the match will be… a Steel Cage Match! Edge tries to convince Long to change the stipulation but Long isn’t having it and tells him he’s giving the fans what they want. Edge sneaks a chain into the match, smashes Batista over the head with it and escapes the cage to retain the World Heavyweight Championship.)
Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Booker T w/Sharmell
(After being drafted to Raw, Booker T immediately sets his sights on becoming the WWE Champion. Booker T says Raw is a far fairer run place with Jonathan Coachman in charge compared to SmackDown with Teddy Long. Booker T basically kissing the ass of Coachman is why he grants him the opportunity and Coachman also announces it’ll be a Falls Count Anywhere Match. Cena says he’ll punch Booker T’s teeth down his throat while still proving he’s the top dog in the company while Booker T promises to win the 1 title that’s eluded him in his legendary career.)
Note:
(Sadly, the Chris Benoit tragedy happens between the 22nd-24th of June 2007.)
My opinion on Chris Benoit:
(So, now we’re finally here in the timeline 😬. First of all I just want to say to those who may ask “why have you pushed a murderer?” In the timeline, I’m booking as if I’m in all these years. As a booker, how would I know in 2004 for example what’s going to unfold in 2007? That’s why Benoit is pushed. I’m not going to utterly bury him while he’s alive in the timeline. Now what I’m going to do here is bury him now the tragic events have unfolded. Chris Benoit in my opinion is one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, I will never dispute that. I was a huge fan of his and when he won the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania 20, it was an unbelievable moment and the fact he celebrated with Eddie Guerrero topped it all off. However, what he did was unforgivable and anyone who has any conspiracy theories like he was framed, I’m sorry it’s just not true and the police investigated it properly. The facts are, Chris Benoit did murder his wife Nancy and his son Daniel. I don’t care about CTE or the fact he apparently had a year to live with an enlarged heart. As Paul Heyman said an interview once, f*ck him. The facts are that Chris Benoit murdered his wife, murdered his son and then proceeded to kill himself. The WWE will absolutely never put him in the Hall of Fame and that’s the correct decision because Benoit lost that respect when he did what he did. I personally hope he rots and this is the last he’ll ever be mentioned in this timeline. I want to lastly say to finish this off, my heart goes out to those affected by this tragedy back in 2007 and Rest in Peace to Nancy and Daniel Benoit ❤️.)
Vengeance: Night of Champions 2007
Date: 24/6/07
Location: Toyota Center, Houston, Texas
United States Championship:
MVP (c) vs Ric Flair
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Jamie Noble
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The World’s Greatest Tag Team (c) vs The Hardy Boyz
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Mickie James
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Santino Marella
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Johnny Nitro
(Johnny Nitro surprisingly replaces The Invisible Man and challenges CM Punk for the ECW Championship when he wasn’t prepared for him. Nitro cheats to win the championship off of Punk, much to the satisfaction of Mr. McMahon.)
WWE Tag Team Championship:
Deuce ‘n Domino (c) w/Cherry vs Jimmy Wang Yang & Shannon Moore
Last Chance Match for the World Heavyweight Championship - If Edge is counted out of disqualified, he’ll lose the World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Batista
(After One Night Stand, Batista asks Teddy Long for one more opportunity after Edge’s cowardly acts at One Night Stand. Edge tells Teddy to give Batista the match on one condition, if Batista loses he can never challenge for the title as long as he’s champion. Teddy Long grants Edge his request but also tells him if he gets counted out or disqualified, he’ll lose the World Heavyweight Championship to Batista. During the match, there’s a referee bump and Batista is getting ready to finish this until The Great Khali appears and lays out The Animal! Edge capitalises when the referee regains consciousness and pins Batista to retain the World Heavyweight Championship.)
Six-Pack Challenge Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Carlito vs Mr.Kennedy vs Randy Orton vs Booker T w/Sharmell vs Bobby Lashley
(All 5 men make a case to be the #1 Contender for the WWE Championship. John Cena says he’ll welcome all comers to prove he’s the man. Jonathan Coachman tells Cena to be careful what he wishes for because at Night of Champions, he’ll be defending the WWE Title against all of them! John Cena retains the WWE Championship after pinning Carlito. After the match, Bobby Lashley stares down Cena as Night of Champions draws to a close.)
Notes:
(Edge tears his pectoral muscle, is put on the shelf for a while and is forced to surrender the World Heavyweight Championship.)
(Mark Henry wins a Battle Royal on the July 20th, 2007 episode of SmackDown to win the World Heavyweight Championship!)
The Great American Bash 2007
Date: 22/7/07
Location: HP Pavilion San Jose, California
WWE Tag Team Championship:
Deuce ‘n Domino (c) vs Matt Hardy & MVP
(Matt Hardy hates MVP and wants his United States Championship but they get paired as partners and are told to co-exist by Mr. McMahon who also rewards them with a Tag Team Championship match at The Great American Bash. Hardy and MVP win the titles.)
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Super Crazy
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Jeff Hardy
Batista vs The Great Khali w/Ranjin Singh
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Melina
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
John Morrison (c) vs CM Punk
(CM Punk invokes his rematch clause for the ECW Championship. Vince McMahon tries to deny Punk the opportunity to win the title back but CM Punk tells him if he even dares to deny him his rematch then he’ll sue him because it’s a contractual obligation meaning McMahon has no choice but to let Punk compete for the ECW Championship. The newly named John Morrison who’s leaving Johnny Nitro behind tells Vince to not worry, he’ll take care of business for him which Vince gives him the vote of confidence. Punk says this time he’s ready for Morrison unlike at Night of Champions and will become a 2 time ECW Champion. Morrison says even prepared, he’s just too good for Punk. John Morrison cheats to retain the title after hitting Punk with brass knuckles when the referee isn’t looking.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Mark Henry (c) vs Kane
(Teddy Long announces that Mark Henry will defend his title against Kane at The Great American Bash because Kane had earned an opportunity to fight for the World Championship when Edge was champion. Kane says that he’s got unfinished business with Henry and revenge will be sweeter when he wins the World Heavyweight Championship. Henry says Kane will once again feel his wrath just like his brother The Undertaker and Batista have.)
WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Bobby Lashley
(Bobby Lashley wins a Fatal 4-Way match against Booker T, Randy Orton and Mr.Kennedy in order to face John Cena at The Great American Bash. Lashley tells Cena that he respects his dedication and desire but when push comes to shove, he has no hesitation breaking him in half if it means he wins the WWE Championship. Cena says Lashley is an incredible athlete who’s unbelievably gifted but he’s going to show the whole world that Lashley’s time isn’t now the way a lot of people think it is. John Cena retains after delivering an FU from the top rope and both men shake hands after the match. When Cena’s alone in the ring, Randy Orton from out of nowhere delivers an RKO to Cena and holds up the WWE Championship as the show draws to a close.)
Note:
(Bobby Lashley gets injured not long after this event and leaves the company in early 2008.)
SummerSlam 2007
Date: 26/8/07
Location: Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford, New Jersey
Ladder Match for the ECW Championship:
John Morrison (c) vs CM Punk
(CM Punk demands one more match for the ECW Championship against John Morrison which Morrison insists to Vince McMahon to allow his request. Morrison gives Vince an idea for what type of match it should be. Vince likes the idea and announces that CM Punk will face John Morrison at SummerSlam in… A Ladder Match! John Morrison says he’s the prince of parkour and CM Punk's ambition of being the ECW Champion again will be crushed by him for good. Punk promises to become and 2 time ECW champion while also ensuring Morrison has no teeth after the match. CM Punk wins to become a 2 time ECW Champion.)
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
World’s Greatest Tag Team (c) vs Paul London & Brian Kendrick
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Rey Mysterio
(Teddy Long tells Chavo Guerrero he’ll defend his Cruiserweight Championship at SummerSlam against… Rey Mysterio! Chavo says he’s been waiting for Rey’s return and at the event he cost him the World Heavyweight Championship the year before, he’s going to make sure he puts Rey back on the shelf again but this time for good. Rey Mysterio wins the title and retires the Cruiserweight Championship on the SmackDown after SummerSlam.)
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Jeff Hardy
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Melina vs Mickie James vs Beth Phoenix
Triple H vs Booker T w/Sharmell
(Vignettes start to show that Triple H is returning to the WWE after another Quad injury. Booker T being aware of this challenges Triple H to a match at SummerSlam. Booker T’s motives are simple, Triple H once made his life a living hell and he wants to get revenge he never truly got. Booker T promises to put Triple H back on the shelf and embarrass him on his return. Triple H wins in a 10 minute match and Booker T leaves the company after this match.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Mark Henry (c) vs Batista
(A one on one match that’s a long time in the making. Batista wins a #1 Contender’s Match against Kane and says this is a match he’s wanted for a while because he’s never fully gotten revenge on Mark Henry for putting him out of action which forced him to surrender the World Heavyweight Championship. Henry says he’s also been waiting for full revenge after Batista also cost him a year of his career when he came back and assaulted him. Both men brawl whenever they see each other in the build up. During the match when Henry’s on top… GONG! The lights come back on but Taker doesn’t appear. Henry then receives a Spinebuster from Batista and The Animal pins him to win the World Heavyweight Championship!)
WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Randy Orton
(First time ever in a one on one capacity. Randy Orton says while Cena has been on top for the last few years, he’s always avoided facing him one on one and tells him the reason he does is because he knows The Legend Killer is better than him! Cena tells Orton to stop talking out of his ass and if he wants to fight him, he’s ready for the challenge and just like the others, Randy Orton will be on his list of guys he beat. Randy Orton cheats when the referee isn’t looking by hitting Cena with a low blow. Orton then delivers an RKO and pins John Cena to win the WWE Championship!)
Notes:
(Batista beats Mark Henry in a Street Fight on SmackDown to retain the World Heavyweight Championship in Henry’s rematch clause. The Undertaker’s Gong once again provides a distraction to Henry and there’s also a message on the titantron that reads “The dead will rise, September 16th 2007… RIP Mark Henry!”)
And that’s part 45! I hope you guys enjoyed this part. I’d like to add that I hope you don’t mind my passionate opinion on the man who shall not be named from now on. Anyways, enough of me dwelling about that! I’ll be back very soon to cover the rest of 2007 where we’ll see a few stars return, The Age of Orton begin on Raw and John Cena go down with an injury. Stay safe and stay tuned!
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Date: 20/5/07
Location: Scottrade Center, St. Louis, Missouri
Two-out-of-Three Falls Match for the United States Championship:
MVP (c) vs Chris Benoit (2-0)
Women’s Championship:
Melina (c) vs Mickie James
Intercontinental Championship:
Bobby Lashley (c) vs Carlito
(Carlito hosts the Carlito Cabana and his guest is Bobby Lashley. Carlito says the way Bobby Lashley has disrespected Mr. McMahon is not cool but what will be cool is him winning the Intercontinental Championship. Lashley says Carlito just like Umaga can kiss Vince’s ass as much as he wants, it’s not going to result in him losing to a little punk like him.)
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The Hardy Boyz (c) vs Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch
(After the match, Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas attack The Hardy’s and it’s revealed they’ve reunited!)
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Elijah Burke
(Elijah Burke attacks CM Punk on ECW and says he’s not finished with him just because he pinned Marcus Cor Von at Backlash. Burke says he’s going to clean up ECW for Vince McMahon by getting the ECW Championship off him because Vince is right, Punk is a misfit who’ll never succeed in the WWE and is only the ECW champion through pure luck. Punk says not only is ECW the land of extreme but it’s also the land of misfits and it makes him and the ECW Championship the perfect marriage. Punk promises to not lose his title to a shameless ass kisser like Elijah Burke.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Mark Henry vs Batista
(After winning the World Heavyweight Championship, Edge says once again he’s proved he’s not only the best wrestler in the company but he’s also the smartest as he watched The Undertaker take the ultimate beating before cashing in his Money in the Bank briefcase. Batista interrupts and tells Edge that he might think he’s smart but the reality is, he’s nothing but a coward who stole the World Heavyweight Championship and it won’t be long till he takes back what’s his. Mark Henry says not only is he back and took out The Undertaker, he’s going to destroy Batista again like he has before and will have no issue taking out Edge too because he has the one thing he really wants an opportunity at, the World Heavyweight Championship. Edge says both men have nothing to do with him and can stay away from his World Heavyweight Championship. However, Teddy Long disagrees and tells Edge that Batista and Mark Henry both have a case so Edge will defend his title against both men at Judgment Day. Edge is furious, already feels like Teddy Long has an agenda against him and demands to be traded back to Raw but Long denies Edge his request. During the match, Batista and Henry are so focused on beating the hell out of each other that it costs them as Edge hits a Spear out of nowhere on Batista and pins him to retain his championship.)
60 Minute Iron Man Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Shawn Michaels (6-5)
(Shawn Michaels says he had John Cena beat at Backlash and if he wasn’t lucky, he’d be the WWE Champion. Michaels then challenges Cena to defend the WWE Championship against him one more time at Judgment Day. Cena accepts the challenge because he’s a fighting champion. Michaels says he doesn’t want this to be an ordinary match and tells Cena he wants it to a match he won his first WWE Championship at WrestleMania 12, an Iron Man Match! Cena says that’s fine because Shawn Michaels is about to find out he isn’t the only iron man in the WWE. Cena also proposes for it to be for a full hour which Michaels accepts. This is essentially the match they had on Raw in London in real life but with a different outcome. John Cena wins 6-5 to retain the WWE Championship in all time classic. After the match as Shawn Michaels gets up and receives a standing ovation from the fans, Randy Orton from out of nowhere hits him with an RKO, beats the hell out of The Showstopper in front of his wife to the point he bleeds and punts him in the skull. This writes Michaels off TV.)
Notes:
(The WWE Draft takes place on the May 28th 2007 episode of Raw. The same picks as in real life occur apart from the fact Bobby Lashley doesn’t need to be drafted to Raw because he’s already a Raw superstar 😅.)
Date: 3/6/07
Location: Jackson Veterans Memorial Arena, Jacksonville, Florida
Tables, Ladders & Chairs Match for the WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The Hardy Boyz (c) vs The World’s Greatest Tag Team
Women’s Championship:
Mickie James (c) vs Candice Michelle
Intercontinental Championship:
Bobby Lashley (c) vs Carlito vs Umaga w/Armando Estrada
(Umaga wins the championship after pinning Carlito thanks to Shane McMahon attacking Bobby Lashley who was on verge of retaining his title.)
Street Fight:
Kane vs Mark Henry
(Kane goes after Mark Henry and promises there will be vengeance after what he did to his brother The Undertaker. Henry says Kane doesn’t intimidate him just like The Undertaker doesn’t and he’s just another man on his path of destruction.)
Stretcher Match:
Rob Van Dam vs Randy Orton
(This is Van Dam’s last match in the company for a while as he leaves for TNA.)
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Chris Benoit
(Vince McMahon says he’s confident for sure that CM Punk’s days as ECW champion are rightfully numbered because he’ll be defending his title against the new draft pick… Chris Benoit! Benoit says Punk’s a talented wrestler but he’s no Chris Benoit, the greatest technical wrestler on the planet. Punk says he has a huge level of respect for what Benoit’s accomplished in his wrestling career but he sees this as a massive opportunity to prove doubters like Vince McMahon wrong and he’ll ensure he does in what’s no doubt his biggest challenge since winning the ECW Championship. CM Punk wins clean to retain.)
Steel Cage Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Batista
(Batista says that weasel Edge being the World Champion makes him sick and promises he’ll destroy him and take back the title. Edge says Batista doesn’t deserve another chance at the World Championship but Theodore Long disagrees and says Batista’s two one on one rematches for the title never had a definitive finish so he announces Edge will face Batista at One Night Stand and the match will be… a Steel Cage Match! Edge tries to convince Long to change the stipulation but Long isn’t having it and tells him he’s giving the fans what they want. Edge sneaks a chain into the match, smashes Batista over the head with it and escapes the cage to retain the World Heavyweight Championship.)
Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Booker T w/Sharmell
(After being drafted to Raw, Booker T immediately sets his sights on becoming the WWE Champion. Booker T says Raw is a far fairer run place with Jonathan Coachman in charge compared to SmackDown with Teddy Long. Booker T basically kissing the ass of Coachman is why he grants him the opportunity and Coachman also announces it’ll be a Falls Count Anywhere Match. Cena says he’ll punch Booker T’s teeth down his throat while still proving he’s the top dog in the company while Booker T promises to win the 1 title that’s eluded him in his legendary career.)
Note:
(Sadly, the Chris Benoit tragedy happens between the 22nd-24th of June 2007.)
My opinion on Chris Benoit:
(So, now we’re finally here in the timeline 😬. First of all I just want to say to those who may ask “why have you pushed a murderer?” In the timeline, I’m booking as if I’m in all these years. As a booker, how would I know in 2004 for example what’s going to unfold in 2007? That’s why Benoit is pushed. I’m not going to utterly bury him while he’s alive in the timeline. Now what I’m going to do here is bury him now the tragic events have unfolded. Chris Benoit in my opinion is one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, I will never dispute that. I was a huge fan of his and when he won the World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania 20, it was an unbelievable moment and the fact he celebrated with Eddie Guerrero topped it all off. However, what he did was unforgivable and anyone who has any conspiracy theories like he was framed, I’m sorry it’s just not true and the police investigated it properly. The facts are, Chris Benoit did murder his wife Nancy and his son Daniel. I don’t care about CTE or the fact he apparently had a year to live with an enlarged heart. As Paul Heyman said an interview once, f*ck him. The facts are that Chris Benoit murdered his wife, murdered his son and then proceeded to kill himself. The WWE will absolutely never put him in the Hall of Fame and that’s the correct decision because Benoit lost that respect when he did what he did. I personally hope he rots and this is the last he’ll ever be mentioned in this timeline. I want to lastly say to finish this off, my heart goes out to those affected by this tragedy back in 2007 and Rest in Peace to Nancy and Daniel Benoit ❤️.)
Date: 24/6/07
Location: Toyota Center, Houston, Texas
United States Championship:
MVP (c) vs Ric Flair
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Jamie Noble
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
The World’s Greatest Tag Team (c) vs The Hardy Boyz
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Mickie James
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Santino Marella
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
CM Punk (c) vs Johnny Nitro
(Johnny Nitro surprisingly replaces The Invisible Man and challenges CM Punk for the ECW Championship when he wasn’t prepared for him. Nitro cheats to win the championship off of Punk, much to the satisfaction of Mr. McMahon.)
WWE Tag Team Championship:
Deuce ‘n Domino (c) w/Cherry vs Jimmy Wang Yang & Shannon Moore
Last Chance Match for the World Heavyweight Championship - If Edge is counted out of disqualified, he’ll lose the World Heavyweight Championship:
Edge (c) vs Batista
(After One Night Stand, Batista asks Teddy Long for one more opportunity after Edge’s cowardly acts at One Night Stand. Edge tells Teddy to give Batista the match on one condition, if Batista loses he can never challenge for the title as long as he’s champion. Teddy Long grants Edge his request but also tells him if he gets counted out or disqualified, he’ll lose the World Heavyweight Championship to Batista. During the match, there’s a referee bump and Batista is getting ready to finish this until The Great Khali appears and lays out The Animal! Edge capitalises when the referee regains consciousness and pins Batista to retain the World Heavyweight Championship.)
Six-Pack Challenge Match for the WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Carlito vs Mr.Kennedy vs Randy Orton vs Booker T w/Sharmell vs Bobby Lashley
(All 5 men make a case to be the #1 Contender for the WWE Championship. John Cena says he’ll welcome all comers to prove he’s the man. Jonathan Coachman tells Cena to be careful what he wishes for because at Night of Champions, he’ll be defending the WWE Title against all of them! John Cena retains the WWE Championship after pinning Carlito. After the match, Bobby Lashley stares down Cena as Night of Champions draws to a close.)
Notes:
(Edge tears his pectoral muscle, is put on the shelf for a while and is forced to surrender the World Heavyweight Championship.)
(Mark Henry wins a Battle Royal on the July 20th, 2007 episode of SmackDown to win the World Heavyweight Championship!)
Date: 22/7/07
Location: HP Pavilion San Jose, California
WWE Tag Team Championship:
Deuce ‘n Domino (c) vs Matt Hardy & MVP
(Matt Hardy hates MVP and wants his United States Championship but they get paired as partners and are told to co-exist by Mr. McMahon who also rewards them with a Tag Team Championship match at The Great American Bash. Hardy and MVP win the titles.)
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Super Crazy
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Jeff Hardy
Batista vs The Great Khali w/Ranjin Singh
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Melina
Extreme Rules Match for the ECW Championship:
John Morrison (c) vs CM Punk
(CM Punk invokes his rematch clause for the ECW Championship. Vince McMahon tries to deny Punk the opportunity to win the title back but CM Punk tells him if he even dares to deny him his rematch then he’ll sue him because it’s a contractual obligation meaning McMahon has no choice but to let Punk compete for the ECW Championship. The newly named John Morrison who’s leaving Johnny Nitro behind tells Vince to not worry, he’ll take care of business for him which Vince gives him the vote of confidence. Punk says this time he’s ready for Morrison unlike at Night of Champions and will become a 2 time ECW Champion. Morrison says even prepared, he’s just too good for Punk. John Morrison cheats to retain the title after hitting Punk with brass knuckles when the referee isn’t looking.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Mark Henry (c) vs Kane
(Teddy Long announces that Mark Henry will defend his title against Kane at The Great American Bash because Kane had earned an opportunity to fight for the World Championship when Edge was champion. Kane says that he’s got unfinished business with Henry and revenge will be sweeter when he wins the World Heavyweight Championship. Henry says Kane will once again feel his wrath just like his brother The Undertaker and Batista have.)
WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Bobby Lashley
(Bobby Lashley wins a Fatal 4-Way match against Booker T, Randy Orton and Mr.Kennedy in order to face John Cena at The Great American Bash. Lashley tells Cena that he respects his dedication and desire but when push comes to shove, he has no hesitation breaking him in half if it means he wins the WWE Championship. Cena says Lashley is an incredible athlete who’s unbelievably gifted but he’s going to show the whole world that Lashley’s time isn’t now the way a lot of people think it is. John Cena retains after delivering an FU from the top rope and both men shake hands after the match. When Cena’s alone in the ring, Randy Orton from out of nowhere delivers an RKO to Cena and holds up the WWE Championship as the show draws to a close.)
Note:
(Bobby Lashley gets injured not long after this event and leaves the company in early 2008.)
Date: 26/8/07
Location: Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford, New Jersey
Ladder Match for the ECW Championship:
John Morrison (c) vs CM Punk
(CM Punk demands one more match for the ECW Championship against John Morrison which Morrison insists to Vince McMahon to allow his request. Morrison gives Vince an idea for what type of match it should be. Vince likes the idea and announces that CM Punk will face John Morrison at SummerSlam in… A Ladder Match! John Morrison says he’s the prince of parkour and CM Punk's ambition of being the ECW Champion again will be crushed by him for good. Punk promises to become and 2 time ECW champion while also ensuring Morrison has no teeth after the match. CM Punk wins to become a 2 time ECW Champion.)
WWE World Tag Team Championship:
World’s Greatest Tag Team (c) vs Paul London & Brian Kendrick
Cruiserweight Championship:
Chavo Guerrero (c) vs Rey Mysterio
(Teddy Long tells Chavo Guerrero he’ll defend his Cruiserweight Championship at SummerSlam against… Rey Mysterio! Chavo says he’s been waiting for Rey’s return and at the event he cost him the World Heavyweight Championship the year before, he’s going to make sure he puts Rey back on the shelf again but this time for good. Rey Mysterio wins the title and retires the Cruiserweight Championship on the SmackDown after SummerSlam.)
Intercontinental Championship:
Umaga (c) vs Jeff Hardy
Women’s Championship:
Candice Michelle (c) vs Melina vs Mickie James vs Beth Phoenix
Triple H vs Booker T w/Sharmell
(Vignettes start to show that Triple H is returning to the WWE after another Quad injury. Booker T being aware of this challenges Triple H to a match at SummerSlam. Booker T’s motives are simple, Triple H once made his life a living hell and he wants to get revenge he never truly got. Booker T promises to put Triple H back on the shelf and embarrass him on his return. Triple H wins in a 10 minute match and Booker T leaves the company after this match.)
World Heavyweight Championship:
Mark Henry (c) vs Batista
(A one on one match that’s a long time in the making. Batista wins a #1 Contender’s Match against Kane and says this is a match he’s wanted for a while because he’s never fully gotten revenge on Mark Henry for putting him out of action which forced him to surrender the World Heavyweight Championship. Henry says he’s also been waiting for full revenge after Batista also cost him a year of his career when he came back and assaulted him. Both men brawl whenever they see each other in the build up. During the match when Henry’s on top… GONG! The lights come back on but Taker doesn’t appear. Henry then receives a Spinebuster from Batista and The Animal pins him to win the World Heavyweight Championship!)
WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs Randy Orton
(First time ever in a one on one capacity. Randy Orton says while Cena has been on top for the last few years, he’s always avoided facing him one on one and tells him the reason he does is because he knows The Legend Killer is better than him! Cena tells Orton to stop talking out of his ass and if he wants to fight him, he’s ready for the challenge and just like the others, Randy Orton will be on his list of guys he beat. Randy Orton cheats when the referee isn’t looking by hitting Cena with a low blow. Orton then delivers an RKO and pins John Cena to win the WWE Championship!)
Notes:
(Batista beats Mark Henry in a Street Fight on SmackDown to retain the World Heavyweight Championship in Henry’s rematch clause. The Undertaker’s Gong once again provides a distraction to Henry and there’s also a message on the titantron that reads “The dead will rise, September 16th 2007… RIP Mark Henry!”)
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